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Re: Who calls LEIs vertical structural elements "masts"?

Postby BWD » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:58 pm

So, it seems your difficulty is not only linguistic, but logical.
A strut is a smaller part of a functional structure made of parts.
A mast is the main (or only) element of the functional structure of which it is a part.

Again, remove the strut from something (car suspension, airplane, table, etc.) and you still have the original functional object, though it may not work as well.
Remove the mast from a sailboat, and you no longer have a sailboat. Likewise, remove the mast from a kitefoil, and you no longer have a kitefoil.
It goes to the bottom of the ocean, you no longer have it.

To get this you need English, and logic.
It's not really the sort of thing a wiki will clear up for you. If you don't get it you can try studying engineering, art, medicine, anatomy, architecture, art history, law, philosophy, Latin, or anything else that uses hierarchies to order ideas and concepts. Some day, it may "click" for you.

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Re: Who calls LEIs vertical structural elements "masts"?

Postby Johhnn » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:20 am

Mast.

Wow, you guys are idiot nerd savants: really! You gotta understand, words are just sounds, what gets adopted is what is. That''s it. QWERTY is not the most efficient keyboard we could generate, but it's what we now have as standard (in English).

Mast. And it does support the sail...supports the board, supports the rider, supports the kite/sail. From this perspective, it makes sense to call it the mast.

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Re: Who calls LEIs vertical structural elements "masts"?

Postby junebug » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:55 am

I'm just one man in this crazy place, but it seems to me that if we are borrowing from sailing terminology it should be called a keel.

keel (kēl)

noun

1. The longitudinal structure along the centerline at the bottom of a vessel's hull, on which the rest of the hull is built, in some vessels extended downward as a blade or ridge to increase stability.

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Re: Who calls LEIs vertical structural elements "masts"?

Postby BWD » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:20 am

Boat Keel: job is to stay in the water and provide lateral resistance and righting moment.
Foil Mast: job is to lift board and rider out of water and transmit forces between foil and board.
I wouldn't hire a keel to do a mast's job.
Makes more sense than strut to me, tho.
So does fin btw (but still just not quite right).

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Re: Who calls LEIs vertical structural elements "masts"?

Postby revhed » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:15 am

BWD wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:58 pm
A strut is a smaller part of a functional structure made of parts.
Again, remove the strut from something (car suspension, airplane, table, etc.) and you still have the original functional object, though it may not work as well.
Yes indeed the STRUT of our KBHFs is part of the T bar including the fuse, wings and board! :thumb:
One more time.....being the 3rd in this thread alone....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strut
"sometimes even to form, the main functional airframe."

"Struts have also been widely used for purely structural reasons to attach engines, landing gear"

Clearly saying that a STRUT can be a sole element and thinking along those lines do not many masts have guy wires helping them to support something, ever seen a KBHF STRUT with such?
Although every sail board I have seen and many sail boats do employ only one mast fitting the definition perfectly.

Go ahead and remove the STRUT,s from your air planes wings, landing gear and engines and please tell us how it works!

And just for fun, inverse argument, where are the "mat, masts on your airplane?

And again due to incorrect definitions and word choice you post,
"remove the mast from a kitefoil"
Did not know a "foilkite" had a mast"? A ram air certainly does not!
Maybe you intended Kite Board Foil as there are now more and more "board foils" as in SUP, surf, body, electric....

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