Contact   Imprint   Advertising   Guidelines

Low rider or high flyer?

A forum dedicated to Hydrofoil riders


plummet
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5572
Joined: Sat Aug 29, 2009 11:25 pm
Kiting since: 33
Local Beach: God created the naki so the hardcore people would have a place to live.
Favorite Beaches: Shhhhhhhhhhhhh...........
Style: Always searching for flow!
Gear: If you take 3.1415 from opinion. You get onion!
Brand Affiliation: What do yo call an Alligator in a vest? ............... An Investigator.

Low rider or high flyer?

Postby plummet » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:46 am

So how do you foil. Do you foil low to the surface or as high as you dare.

I'm getting more fun out of low riding. I think mainly because of my mast height, chop on sell environment. I find low I can crank in speed/carves and not vent a wing.

User avatar
Kamikuza
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5429
Joined: Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:49 am
Local Beach: Sabae Beach
Favorite Beaches: Ol' Stinky
Gear: This, that, the other

Re: Low rider or high flyer?

Postby Kamikuza » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:40 pm

High enough, board closer to the water. Same reason as you, no venting.

User avatar
SaulOhio
Frequent Poster
Posts: 268
Joined: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:26 pm
Kiting since: 1999
Local Beach: Mentor Headlands
Edgewater
Conneaut harbor
Fairport Harbor
Simms Park
Favorite Beaches: Kite Point in the Outer Banks
Gear: Liquid Force Havoc, 12m and 16M
Slingshot Turbo Diesel 8M
Rossignol Escort skis
Brand Affiliation: None

Re: Low rider or high flyer?

Postby SaulOhio » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:09 pm

I love that "I'm the king of the world!" feeling of being as high as I dare, but I do try to ride low as I can without hitting the chop. I'm best off at a happy medium, where I have little danger of overfoiling and not too close to falling off a plane. But I am a beginner, and still haven't used a full sized mast yet. I had one session on my friend's Cabrinha where I had the foil planning right along the surface, the top of the wing out of the water, and riding stable. That was an interesting experience. We'll see where my preferences evolve as I get better and develop my home made gear.

User avatar
MattyM
Rare Poster
Posts: 20
Joined: Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:29 pm
Kiting since: 0
Gear: Core, F-One, Moses
Brand Affiliation: None
Contact:

Re: Low rider or high flyer?

Postby MattyM » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:49 pm

Breaking the surface is always worse than touching down - so I ride low - just high enough to not clip the chop.

Foil
Rare Poster
Posts: 17
Joined: Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:44 pm
Kiting since: 2001
Local Beach: Newbrighton near Liverpool, Newbrough Anglesey Wales
Favorite Beaches: Flag beach for the Foil, Rhosniger for the twintip.
Style: Mad but happy,risky with back up
Gear: Moses T60 Carbon board,91 cm Carbon foil, wing and stabiliser selection, Fone bandits- 7-8-9-12 and 15mtr Breeze, 12 Ozone Reo.
Nobile twin tip,North 2018 click bars
Brand Affiliation: None

Re: Low rider or high flyer?

Postby Foil » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:28 pm

The swell and chop dictate how high you need to fly, yet again today the swell was big, so I had to come back in and change down a kite size to make it easier to control my height, which needed to be high when driving over the peaks, the next to dive down low, then turn away from a wave face which lifted to foil due to the speed generated, cutting back over the wave face made the ride over the top and down the back an exciting ride, learnt a lot today due to the very challenging conditions and some very large swells, twin tips were on 12 mtr kites, I changed down to an 8 and was very happy, the 9mtr was just to much as the power kept lifting the wings to quickly for me to respond in time. 91 cm mast was good but I am thinking a longer mast might help me in the future when my skills warrant it.

User avatar
Peter_Frank
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 8081
Joined: Wed Oct 16, 2002 1:00 am
Kiting since: 0
Brand Affiliation: None
Location: Denmark

Re: Low rider or high flyer?

Postby Peter_Frank » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:33 pm

High flyer, no doubt, the higher the better, faster and more agile and more fun :thumb:

The more experienced I have gotten, the higher I fly more consistently, meaning, higher without ventilating, also in turns.

In fact often semi ventilating without crashing, but reattaching - which is the utmost goal.

Being able to ride high, on the verge to too high, but not crash when you got the feel where the limit is, and can ride just on the edge intuitively - THAT is the best :rollgrin:

8) PF

3InletsWindsports
Frequent Poster
Posts: 255
Joined: Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:52 am
Kiting since: 2001
Local Beach: Shallow Inlet, Corner Inlet, Andersons inlet.
Favorite Beaches: Shallow Inlet, Point Danger.
Style: freeride
Gear: Zeeko
Brand Affiliation: Zeeko importer in Australia

Re: Low rider or high flyer?

Postby 3InletsWindsports » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:12 am

I’m a high enough to not touch but just type.
But I have found the forgiving nature of the Spitfire to venting allows it to vent but catch it on way down to not touch down so keep going. This gets me more relaxed with running higher.

User avatar
bragnouff
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 583
Joined: Tue May 14, 2002 1:00 am
Kiting since: 99
Local Beach: New Brighton
Gear: Alkita boards
Zeeko foil
GK Trix
Enduro9
Brand Affiliation: GK enthusiast
Location: Te Wai Pounamu
Contact:

Re: Low rider or high flyer?

Postby bragnouff » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:39 am

Could it be that it also depends on how you fly your kite? With the kite low, venting the foil is more likely to end up in a crash whereas when flown overhead, it can be recovered more (even more so on a Spitfire).
Low kite flying would influence the rider in staying conservatively low enough to be on the safe side.

In the end, it's all dictated by water conditions. Too high and you really have to follow every bump in the surface to prevent breaching, and too low, lots of surface touches also if not following the chop/swell. There's a middle ground that is more comfortable. I find that typically on my first couple of runs into a session, I can get some straight line crashes, while later on it won't happen anymore. I suppose that's the adjustment phase to the daily conditions as much as the getting back into it.

juandesooka
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 700
Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:05 pm
Kiting since: 2011
Local Beach: Sooke, BC, Canada
Gear: BWS / Ocean Rodeo / Stringy Foil
Brand Affiliation: None

Re: Low rider or high flyer?

Postby juandesooka » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:35 am

Low flyer. Nearly always ride in chop and wind swell, less likely to breach surface. I rode in the worst choppy conditions yet last weekend, like kiting in a washing machine. At times had to slow right down to point of board falling flat on surface, to avoid breaching when punching through the back of waves. It was a "challenging experience" (actually quite fun overall, though too much work at times).


Return to “Hydrofoil”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Skywalker7 and 5 guests