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grigorib
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Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Spleene Door 59, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, MHL Lift 2013, Slingshot Ghost Whisper 42"/545/328, Moses 71cm/548/325, Slingshot Dwarfcraft 42", Slingshot Coupe 6', Ocean Rodeo Mako 135, MBS Comp 95x
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Re: Moses 2018

Postby grigorib » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:51 pm

Flag53 wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:18 am
.... it's off topic but who made your board as I'm looking into getting a smaller board and just looking round at all the options...
Can recommend Slingshot Dwarfcraft 42”. Sweet board, 106cm long, I love it
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TomW
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Re: Moses 2018

Postby TomW » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:36 pm

I have the 4-6 and it was nearly impossible to do a touch down with it without board doing a torpedo. Even getting going it would nose dive. The tail rocker is negative! I had to make a wedged shaped plate that was 8mm at front and 1mm at rear to make it manageable for me, with plate all the way back.
I've noticed the Slingshot foil rides with nose up much more than my Moses.

grigorib
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Posts: 378
Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:12 pm
Kiting since: 2009
Local Beach: Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; Tawas, MI; OBX; SPI
Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 7m/11m, Slingshot Turbine 9m/15m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m, Best Kahoona 11.5m, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m
Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Spleene Door 59, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, MHL Lift 2013, Slingshot Ghost Whisper 42"/545/328, Moses 71cm/548/325, Slingshot Dwarfcraft 42", Slingshot Coupe 6', Ocean Rodeo Mako 135, MBS Comp 95x
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Re: Moses 2018

Postby grigorib » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:26 pm

Frank Rosin wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:54 pm
Not much wind today....
Any luck giving a try to 590 in past few days?

Flag53
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Re: Moses 2018

Postby Flag53 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:50 pm

Thanks grigorib / TomW 👍

Frank Rosin
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Re: Moses 2018

Postby Frank Rosin » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:43 pm

grigorib wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:26 pm
Frank Rosin wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:54 pm
Not much wind today....
Any luck giving a try to 590 in past few days?

Tomorrow and then a few days in a row, forecast is looking good!
Flag53 wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:18 am
Hey Frank Rosin , it's off topic but who made your board as I'm looking into getting a smaller board and just looking round at all the options.

Cheers 👍
You got PN.

Pedro Marcos wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:04 am
Frank Rosin wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:49 am

The board is my main board: 120x42cm and approx. 2.1kg.
That is a super small board!
It is my go to board, also have a 2nd one which is 130x43.

Cheers,
Frank
www.famousfrank.com

grigorib
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Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 7m/11m, Slingshot Turbine 9m/15m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m, Best Kahoona 11.5m, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m
Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Spleene Door 59, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, MHL Lift 2013, Slingshot Ghost Whisper 42"/545/328, Moses 71cm/548/325, Slingshot Dwarfcraft 42", Slingshot Coupe 6', Ocean Rodeo Mako 135, MBS Comp 95x
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Re: Moses 2018

Postby grigorib » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:34 am

Frank Rosin wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:43 pm
...and then a few days in a row, forecast is looking good!
Do you think you can take a picture of 590 with 548 or 550 over it to see size difference.
Is 590 wider? Is 548 thicker?

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby Frank Rosin » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:12 am

grigorib wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:34 am

Do you think you can take a picture of 590 with 548 or 550 over it to see size difference.
Is 590 wider? Is 548 thicker?

I can and actually did already, but not happy with the result, in real life the difference looks quite a bit bigger than on the pics I have taken, so do not feel it makes quite sense to show those.
I may try to take better and more realistic ones.

Off to the beach now, looking good!

Cheers,
Frank
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grigorib
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Posts: 378
Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:12 pm
Kiting since: 2009
Local Beach: Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; Tawas, MI; OBX; SPI
Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 7m/11m, Slingshot Turbine 9m/15m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m, Best Kahoona 11.5m, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m
Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Spleene Door 59, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, MHL Lift 2013, Slingshot Ghost Whisper 42"/545/328, Moses 71cm/548/325, Slingshot Dwarfcraft 42", Slingshot Coupe 6', Ocean Rodeo Mako 135, MBS Comp 95x
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Re: Moses 2018

Postby grigorib » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:25 pm

TomW wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:36 pm
I have the 4-6 and it was nearly impossible to do a touch down with it without board doing a torpedo. Even getting going it would nose dive. The tail rocker is negative! I had to make a wedged shaped plate that was 8mm at front and 1mm at rear to make it manageable for me, with plate all the way back.
I've noticed the Slingshot foil rides with nose up much more than my Moses.
I had Dwarfcraft 54" and was quite happy with it. Wasn't sure 42" would be large enough for me to ride and then I tried it and 54" instantly turned into "a board for sale"

I try to ride up on the foil all the time, up on a first-second dive, transitions up on the foil.
I manage occasional touchdowns well, but yeah, for extended riding board on water I wish the board had more significant nose scoop.
In that regard I like my MHL board, but it's too big otherwise.

You're right about negative rocker but I hate when board rides angled up, the Dwarfcraft feels to ride horizontally and I'm happy.
Nice shimming idea though!

Great board, assembled foil fits with it into my car whether I put it on stand, or I lay it down or I slide it in on the length.
That's what I call "board Kamasutra"

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby TomW » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:10 pm

Off topic, but when I see people riding Slingshot NF2 foils, the board is always noticeably angled up. I've seen it on Dwarfcraft, alien air and other unidentified boards.

Frank Rosin
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Re: Moses 2018

Postby Frank Rosin » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:29 pm

Today I did ride 637/420 with 9m Hyperlink first, then switched to 5m Hyperlink.
Kind of sheltered bay, but still rather rough water in those winds. Not perfect testing conditions, but not bad either.
Then also switched to the 'old' 680 fuselage with the rest of the setup remaining the same, but due to the conditions described it is kind of hard to tell specific differences or get actual data that could be compared.
Just from feel I would rate the new one higher.
But will do this back to back test again as soon as I get the right wind directing for a perfect flat water spot around that is perfect for testing things like this. It has been a while and will be at least another week to go though...

Still just quick impressions and nothing like a test report/result:
637/420 feels fast, smooth, easy at any speed basically and during maneuvers.
On my plan for one of the next days is to test it directly against the previous race wings (600/380), which I like a lot and on purpose kept a set (or two) until I am sure I may not need (want) it anymore as I am only riding the new ones.
Which may very well be the case after first two days of riding it (with 19m R1 in lightest wind and 9m/5m Hyperlink in rather strong winds), but direct comparison is what I will do before taking any decisions/actions.

Afterwards I had another go on 590/330, 550/330 and 590/325.
It was relatively easy to get the 590 up to 50km/h and the top speed was 53+km/h.
More than I would have imagined before riding it the first time, but after the first very light wind session this was exactly what I expected for a proper powered session.
The great thing is that it stays very pitch stable at these speeds, I have made quite different experiences with other big wings at speed. And foot pressure remains nicely balanced.
With the 330 it is very balanced, with the 325 it became a bit more lively/nervous which can be preferred by some people.
590 vs 550: The difference in lift when get going and at low speed is quite big, in top speed not so much, the 550 accelerates a bit better/faster and is more agile, but the 590 still turns quick and tight no problem.
So same here, all fresh impressions which make me want to spend more time on the 590 to find out more about its performance characteristics and how in compares to other wings (Moses and other brands e.g. Levitaz Cruizer) in certain conditions.

Cheers,
Frank
www.famousfrank.de/hydrofoil/moses/moses-2018/


Frank Rosin wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:49 am
Pedro Marcos wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:45 am
Hey Frank, did you test the 590 with the 325 stab? Nice looking board :)
Not yet, only with the 330 so far, but it is on my to-do-list for the next sessions to come!
The board is my main board: 120x42cm and approx. 2.1kg.

Cheers,
Frank
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