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Re: Moses 2018

Postby JBo » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:40 pm

The Moses website brochures (2015 to 2018) are very informative. Cool to see the evolution of the foil concepts through the years.

On the 2018 I noticed the following:
The Fluente 91 Easy has the same exact 590 wing and 330 stabilizer as the Vorace 101 Freeride. Why the same (novice-easy) wings-stabilizer for a more advanced 101 mast?

What is the purpose of the Vorace 101 Gran Turismo 558 wing and 330 stabilizer? Who's the target riders? Yes I am intermediate rider looking for more advance foil. No racing just want to have fun.

Considering Fluente 91 FR or Vorace 101 FR or Vorace 101 GT? Probably all good choices.

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby grigorib » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:48 pm

JBo wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:40 pm
The Fluente 91 Easy has the same exact 590 wing and 330 stabilizer as the Vorace 101 Freeride. Why the same (novice-easy) wings-stabilizer for a more advanced 101 mast?
Because 330 stabilizer is very stable and a slow wing is a key to Greg Drexler style of riding - almost stopping in turns if you want to, taking off right onto a foil with a tiny board and kite. Not everyone wants to zoom away from shore in a single tack up on a fast wing.
Short mast (41/71cm) is good for novices and long one is good to ride tall and edge in waves/chop. But I guess a 10cm length difference is not that much. I guess Moses don't realize that too much choice doesn't add up to more customer satisfaction nor sales.
JBo wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:40 pm
What is the purpose of the Vorace 101 Gran Turismo 558 wing and 330 stabilizer? Who's the target riders? Yes I am intermediate rider looking for more advance foil. No racing just want to have fun.
Guys who like to go fast but not race. Also not so much front foot pressure at speed
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Re: Moses 2018

Postby TomW » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:02 pm

Having advanced pretty well over one season and 50+ hrs on the water, with my 2016 Fluente 93 with 550/330 setup, I'm getting ready to diversify my foil set up and looking at the vorace 101 with 590/558 + 330 setup.
Have to wait and see if I can sell the 2016 Fluente 550+548+330.
I still have a lot to learn though and may very well stick to the 2016 Fluente.

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby kitet » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:51 am

Has anyone tested the new 558 and 590 wings?

Just sold my 2017 Fluente (550 + 330 stabilizer). Thinking of buying a Vorace (101) mast and a 330 stabilizer, but am debating between the 558 and 590 front wing. I'm still learning how to foil gybe and tack (I have no problems switching my feet with a quick touch down). So I would like something that can go fast but that is stable. Thanks.

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby grigorib » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:17 am

kitet wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:51 am
Has anyone tested the new 558 and 590 wings?

Just sold my 2017 Fluente (550 + 330 stabilizer). Thinking of buying a Vorace (101) mast and a 330 stabilizer, but am debating between the 558 and 590 front wing. I'm still learning how to foil gybe and tack (I have no problems switching my feet with a quick touch down). So I would like something that can go fast but that is stable. Thanks.
558 is fast and stable

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby Frank Rosin » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:03 am

I hope to be able to test the new 590 wing, the new race wings set and the new Fuselage tomorrow.

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new fuselage 647, W637, S420
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Re: Moses 2018

Postby Pedro Marcos » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:45 am

Hi Frank,

If you have the time can you try to:

- put new wings in the old fuselage
- put old wings in new fuselage

Try it and let us know, and maybe take some photos.

Happy testing :)

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby grigorib » Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:05 am

Frank Rosin wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:03 am
I hope to be able to test the new 590 wing, the new race wings set and the new Fuselage tomorrow.
...
Couple of questions:
- do old and new fuselages have same distance between stabilizer<->mast<->wing and stabilizer<->wing ?
- would you be able to share a picture of 548/550 wing next to (or over) 590 wing ?
- is 590 wing a "new 548" (early take-off, lower stall speed) ?
- would you be able to test the 633 wing as "ultimate lowend, lowest takeoff speed" kitefoiling wing?

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby Flag53 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:23 am

I'm looking forward to your test Results Frank .

Will the new fuselage fit the 2017 Vorace mast , I fancy getting the full Race Bottom end !

Cheers 👍

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby Frank Rosin » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:43 am

grigorib wrote:
Frank Rosin wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:03 am
I hope to be able to test the new 590 wing, the new race wings set and the new Fuselage tomorrow.
...
Couple of questions:
- do old and new fuselages have same distance between stabilizer<->mast<->wing and stabilizer<->wing ?
- would you be able to share a picture of 548/550 wing next to (or over) 590 wing ?
- is 590 wing a "new 548" (early take-off, lower stall speed) ?
- would you be able to test the 633 wing as "ultimate lowend, lowest takeoff speed" kitefoiling wing?
question 1) yes, same distance
2) will take a picture accordingly!
3) will tell you after testing (if lucky later today)
4) possibly, but it needs another fuselage which possibly needs a completely different trim. This setup is not designed for kiting. But I will see and try what is possible and makes sense as soon as I received it. Should be here in about 10 days.

Pedro Marcos wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:45 am
Hi Frank,

If you have the time can you try to:

- put new wings in the old fuselage
- put old wings in new fuselage

Try it and let us know, and maybe take some photos.

Happy testing :)
This is something I plan to do for sure to figure what difference the fuselage alone makes.

Flag53 wrote: I'm looking forward to your test Results Frank .

Will the new fuselage fit the 2017 Vorace mast , I fancy getting the full Race Bottom end !

Cheers 👍
Yes it does.


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