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grigorib
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Re: Moses 2018

Postby grigorib » Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:15 pm

TomW wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:21 am
I received the 590 wing. It is not that much larger. Perhaps 20-40 cm2 if I take a guess. Be good if Moses gave us this information.

The wing is swept back more has anhedral and no anhedral at the tips.

The profile is still pretty slim with the thickest part of profile pretty far back and the trailing bottom surface not concave.
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skideeppow wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:59 pm
TomW wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:21 am
I received the 590 wing. It is not that much larger. Perhaps 20-40 cm2 if I take a guess. Be good if Moses gave us this information.
...
I'd be really interested to know how it flies. Looks to be lower aspect that the 550 I got with my slingy ghost whisperer.
I saw a new slingshot wing that Fred hop was using. Had some winglets on it. Looked super cool.

Anyone been able to ride that and have some feedback?
I got my 590 three weeks ago and then spent a week and a half riding it in Mexico. I love the 590. It can go much slower than my GW 545 (558) and 548 wings. Could go reasonably fast, but not as fast as 545. But the lowend compensated for that at large.
590 is as wide in the middle as 548/550 - 132mm but it is more "square" having large area and it seems to be as thick as 548 (not counting thicker center attachment section).
I hope that swept back shape would allow shaking off minor seaweeds strains
Great wing, rode it with my GW 42" mast and I'm sure it'd work great with 71cm mast too when I go to OBX

I love Slingshot but the "new" Slingshot wings are old 2016 (580) and 2017 (600) Moses race wings. Just look at Moses catalogues for respective years.
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Re: Moses 2018

Postby grigorib » Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:31 pm

gmb13 wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:45 am

Yes. The conditions were really light and inconsistent yesterday. I was glad that I decided to SUPfoil at Flag instead.
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Gunnar
Gunnar, I saw instagram pics of you riding the 633. Did you try to kite with it? Would you say it will beat 170 Lift lowend? If mast with 633 beneath is mounted at the same spot, would the foot stance stay in same place?

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby gmb13 » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:15 am

grigorib wrote:
Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:31 pm
gmb13 wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:45 am

Yes. The conditions were really light and inconsistent yesterday. I was glad that I decided to SUPfoil at Flag instead.
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Gunnar, I saw instagram pics of you riding the 633. Did you try to kite with it? Would you say it will beat 170 Lift lowend? If mast with 633 beneath is mounted at the same spot, would the foot stance stay in same place?
Hi Grigor,

I have only Sup Foiled with it so far. Also I have not ridden the 170 Lift, so cannot comment on that.

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby pikovsg » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:04 pm

grigorib wrote:
Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:15 pm
TomW wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:21 am
I received the 590 wing. It is not that much larger. Perhaps 20-40 cm2 if I take a guess. Be good if Moses gave us this information.

The wing is swept back more has anhedral and no anhedral at the tips.

The profile is still pretty slim with the thickest part of profile pretty far back and the trailing bottom surface not concave.
...
skideeppow wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:59 pm
TomW wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:21 am
I received the 590 wing. It is not that much larger. Perhaps 20-40 cm2 if I take a guess. Be good if Moses gave us this information.
...
I'd be really interested to know how it flies. Looks to be lower aspect that the 550 I got with my slingy ghost whisperer.
I saw a new slingshot wing that Fred hop was using. Had some winglets on it. Looked super cool.

Anyone been able to ride that and have some feedback?
I got my 590 three weeks ago and then spent a week and a half riding it in Mexico. I love the 590. It can go much slower than my GW 545 (558) and 548 wings. Could go reasonably fast, but not as fast as 545. But the lowend compensated for that at large.
590 is as wide in the middle as 548/550 - 132mm but it is more "square" having large area and it seems to be as thick as 548 (not counting thicker center attachment section).
I hope that swept back shape would allow shaking off minor seaweeds strains
Great wing, rode it with my GW 42" mast and I'm sure it'd work great with 71cm mast too when I go to OBX

I love Slingshot but the "new" Slingshot wings are old 2016 (580) and 2017 (600) Moses race wings. Just look at Moses catalogues for respective years.
Grigori, how would you comapre the 590 vs. 548 wing for wave riding and freestyle? Is 590 more a bit more locked in feel than the skatey 548? Or vice versa?

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby grigorib » Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:31 pm

pikovsg wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:04 pm
Grigori, how would you comapre the 590 vs. 548 wing for wave riding and freestyle? Is 590 more a bit more locked in feel than the skatey 548? Or vice versa?
I rode 590 with 42” (106) mast and is 328 (330) stabilizer and it felt extremely stable/locked. Some of that must have been also caused by long mast and less playful stabilizer but it felt more stable than 548 at top speed for sure. I’d describe 590 as “558 which can go slower, up on foil much earlier and a bit less top speed (or more drag)”. And that beyond 548 capabilities
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Re: Moses 2018

Postby pikovsg » Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:35 pm

Hanks Grigori, that's exactly the answer I was looking for. :) have you tried it with the 325 stabilizer?

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby grigorib » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:48 am

pikovsg wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:35 pm
Hanks Grigori, that's exactly the answer I was looking for. :) have you tried it with the 325 stabilizer?
No, not yet. I only tried 325 with 71cm mast and 548 wing. Tried it side by side with 328 (330) and 325 was more playful but I liked it not as much. I could control 328 just fine as much as I needed.

Again, I love the 590 wing and I squeezed very nice upwind angles from it but 633 is already on order.
590 being the largest Moses kitefoil wing is only as large as sdandard H2 Hoverglide and I manage to get the wing close to stall riding too slow, so I think for lightest of the winds the 633 could be the answer even though it won’t go as fast.

Saw bunch of SoCal crew guys ride large wings down in Mexico. They had custom made wing for levitaz, 170 Lift which I mistaken for 150 and good old 2013 Lift I rode on and that brought memories of very slow rides I pulled before.
I only hope Moses releases even larger wing matching standard fuselage. Having two fuselages (and additional 483 stabilizer) is kind of excessive weight and packing size for me.
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Re: Moses 2018

Postby Frank Rosin » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:54 am

Personally I prefer the 325 with the 550 but the 330 with the 590.

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby Frank Rosin » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:18 pm

To be tested kiting shortly.
The W633 too.
Possibly on the 101 mast I got in use at the moment.

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby pikovsg » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:23 pm

Very much looking forward to the test. If you can compare with Lift's 170 wing, that would rock my world. :)


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