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Re: Kite loop to waterstart

Postby Peter_Frank » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:05 pm

Pedro Marcos wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:45 pm
Rider mistakes, more time on the water, all you described will disapear.

Spot on, best advice yet - one can not say specifically what you do wrong, nor can you correct it "thinking" - just ride and it will dissapear :naughty:

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Re: Kite loop to waterstart

Postby Little Steve » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:55 pm

All good feedback. I think I need more time in some quality wind conditions. My best times so far have been when the wind was at least enough to form light whitecaps and steady. Then I was able to sheet out and control the height off the water with the kite pull rather than weight shifts. We have some current with the wind depending on the tide and that was making it seem even lighter when it is marginal. Hope I get a few more seshes in before it gets too cold.

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Re: Kite loop to waterstart

Postby Regis-de-giens » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:30 am

About loop direction backward (pull on rear hand, I call it downloop , DL) vs frontward (pull on front hand, I call it Uploop ,UL) ; I speak mainly for foilkites but I sometimes do the same with LEI if the wind dropped down surprisingly .

So DL is a must, and the easiest way (because requires less working of the kite ); very efficient and you have a longuer and slower travel of the kite (since in your direction) ,So it also leaves you more room and time to point more upwind if the kite is not flying properly (to tention the lines)

- in case you do not get enough power with DL you can do a UL, more powerfull but IMO requires a bit more balance. Also easier strapless to keep rear hand hanging the board.

In both case I recommend beginners to turn your bar 360 degres before launching the loop : psychologically easier and more precise in the end of the loop and for the rest of the ride without having to turn the bar during the ride (not easy for a beginner in light wind) ; i still sometimes do that anticipated bar turn , very comfortable and to save thin line wear.

- in ultralight wind the ultimate loop is one UL first to get one the board without foiling, and then another DL to accelerate and foil-up. Timing is not obvious but it also allows you to get clean lines without turning the bar neither before nor after the waterstart.

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Re: Kite loop to waterstart

Postby slowboat » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:14 am

Regis-de-giens wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:30 am
About loop direction backward (pull on rear hand, I call it downloop , DL) vs frontward (pull on front hand, I call it Uploop ,UL) ; I speak mainly for foilkites but I sometimes do the same with LEI if the wind dropped down surprisingly .

So DL is a must, and the easiest way (because requires less working of the kite ); very efficient and you have a longuer and slower travel of the kite (since in your direction) ,So it also leaves you more room and time to point more upwind if the kite is not flying properly (to tention the lines)

- in case you do not get enough power with DL you can do a UL, more powerfull but IMO requires a bit more balance. Also easier strapless to keep rear hand hanging the board.

In both case I recommend beginners to turn your bar 360 degres before launching the loop : psychologically easier and more precise in the end of the loop and for the rest of the ride without having to turn the bar during the ride (not easy for a beginner in light wind) ; i still sometimes do that anticipated bar turn , very comfortable and to save thin line wear.

- in ultralight wind the ultimate loop is one UL first to get one the board without foiling, and then another DL to accelerate and foil-up. Timing is not obvious but it also allows you to get clean lines without turning the bar neither before nor after the waterstart.
Great explanation and very helpful to people new to all this like me. Question: On a very light day, I practiced by standing in the water, had kite at 12 and rapidly looped it: the kite started to loop but hit the water before it could come around. I did turn my bar forcefully to start the loop and held it. I wonder if I did something wrong or was the wind too light? Kite was 13 M LEI with 20 M lines.

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Re: Kite loop to waterstart

Postby Regis-de-giens » Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:50 pm

Thanks ; just need to pull very hard on one line some beginners are afraid to maintain the tension all along the loop when it starts pulling hard; as a tip, if you loop toward the right , you can hold the bar by the right extremity onl ( so up to be parallel to the center power line and open the left hand) to force keeping the loop tight

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Re: Kite loop to waterstart

Postby plummet » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:04 pm

To answer the down loop question. Back loop first. Then if that does get you foiling follow it with a front loop. The lighter the wind the bigger the loop. Don't fish pole the bar with a tight pussy loop in ultra light wind. Give that loop some grunt and smash a wide arc.

The next rule of thumb for light wind learning. If you cant foil along and jybe without falling off Don't go out if you cant water relaunch your kite. That's typically sub 10 knots for lei's. Wait for wind that allows you to water relaunch,

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Re: Kite loop to waterstart

Postby OzBungy » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:57 am

The biggest mistake is you are trying to learn in too light winds. You want at least 15 knots (17 mph?). You need enough wind so that the kite is easy to fly and easy to keep in the air. You want to water start with ease, but not loads of power. Start off with more wind and the same size kite you would use with a surfboard or TT. You will quickly want to go down a kite size of two but start with something with a little power.

People think of foiling as a light wind sport. It's not. It's an all wind sport. It can be done in light wind but that is a relatively advanced skill. You have to be able to keep the kite in the air no matter what and you have to be able to deal with the foil relatively instinctively. If you drop the kite in light winds then your session is over.


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