plummet wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:18 pm
Mitaka wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:07 pm
Are you sure that you are turning the foil primarily by roll and you do not yaw the board with the pull of your turning kite?
If you like, next time when you go out with your foil, do the following experiment and lets us know how you feel:
When going straight slacken the kite lines by going slightly downwind and then try to initiate a turn by roll only, no yaw and no pull from the kite. It would be interesting to know if you will be able to turn smoothly by roll only if the kite is not pulling you through the turn.
Yesterday i cranked upwind 3-4km and then did multiple downiwind turns to get back to where i started. Many off which were kite slack line.
I think slow speed turns definately require more Yaw. To me turning on a foil feels extremely similar to riding a bike around a burm (banked corner). I fall into the corner (turn) using roll as the primarly method, of course there is some yaw, But for the most part i'm falling into the corner with my upper body as apposed to twisting my legs around. The faster you are going the more roll is used and the less yaw is used.
Hey maybe i'm turning the foil completely wrong? Maybe its my 24 years of mountain biking experience taking over?
Everything is perfectly fine, I guess you are getting closer to the solution… The slack lines make the principle of the (yaw-initiated) turn better understandable/”feelable”. It`s the “purer” motion.
Low speed turn
: To create a certain amount of lean (with slack lines better: way of “out of under” of the foil sideways) you have to either twist more (change of AOA of mast/strut) or wait a little longer to have the amount of lean achieved.
High speed turn
: Here to create a certain amount of way of out of under you sideways you have to twist less because at the higher speed the change of amount sideways (creating lean) happens faster.
Analogy to driving a car or similar: If you want to move the car a certain amount sideways to the left or right of the street (lean in KBHF) you have to turn the steering wheels (change of AOA of mast/strut in KBHF). At lower speed you either you have to do more turning of the steering wheels (more creation of lean in KBHF) or wait a little bit longer (wider turn in KBHF). At higher speed you have to turn the steering wheels less to achieve the same amount of sideways movement of the car on the street (lean in KBHF) or you reach the needed amount faster.
Just a thought, Frank, for a better understanding maybe this topic should better be called “how to change direction” instead of “how to turn”? Basically it’s the same, yes I know, but maybe confuses the one or another?
Plummet, analogy of your experience to MTB: The berm doesn`t make you fall into the corner, does it? I claim the berm gives you more security to create the lean that is needed. So I presume actually you do more countersteering to create the faster/bigger lean because the risk of falling is less with the berm “holding” you. I ride MTB as well (this summer for example Hafjell bikepark, Norway, “rollercoaster”
) so I`m a little bit familiar with berms and this stuff…
I propose you just don`t fall into the corner (neither KBHF nor MTB) by itself, something makes
you fall into the corner. In KBHF either countersteering or change of pull of the kite or the help of a wave slightly pushing the foil “out of under” you sideways or … or … but countersteering being the most powerful of them all (my conviction).
So I guess you are turning the foil completely right, but maybe are just confused about your new experiences and the thoughts you had before….
My 02 cents