That’s a handy chart. Thanks for sharing.Peter_Frank wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:08 pm
Yes, I took all experience regarding sizes that "fit" me, taking into account that one uses bigger and sometimes more high aspect wings in lighter winds, as well as bigger boards, and eventually longer lines and foil kites (but these can be a factor 1.3 smaller approximately, for the same power.
Using vector calculations with realistic speeds so the pinching of the apparant wind "shut you down" quite fast when below 6 knots no matter which kite, and how bigger kites in this scenario lift more up so you get a deduction in needed lift etc etc - I ended up with this (shown before) which is around my personal sweet spot, not very powered, nor lightly powered either.
So I can always offset a bit "up" if I want to ride more powered on a given day and not in the relaxed sweetspot, or if more downwind current etc - but it still seems to fit quite well and the sizes I choose in different winds reflects the lines calculated in this graph.
I have shown it before, and many will of course say it does not fit them at all - but try to offset a bit to fit your liking, and see how it would be quite okay in different average winds
In marginal winds things change hugely, depending SO much on gear choice, so not very accurate of course - but one gets the picture of how size and wind is connected.
So to answer your question junebug: I simply said a 12 m2 in 10 knots, that is the red dotted line, and followed it to 18 knots, which gave me a 6.2 m2 kite as "same power"
90 kg. I foiled with my 8m Rally 2012 in 25 knots, gusting more. It's about a size of 7m "current" Rally, slightly, barely larger.Pedro Marcos wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:16 pmI still dont have a kite for high wind, and i rarely have more then 25 knots where i live but it becomes really choopy and wavy so very hard to go fast. I would something where i can be underpowered.
Too bad no one have a Hyperlink 5m here, i would like to test it, never liked foil kites in strong wind but would like to give it a go on that one.
This is true. Through I can and do ride peters low power style I prefer to be powered up riding fast. The same is true on the foil.
Pedro Marcos wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:05 pmNice chart, its seems acurate for LEI kites, should have some variations according to kite design (AR specially). It seems i need a 4meters LEI or something, i decided that i dont want to mess up with foil kites in high winds for now. So which kite i choose for my 4 or 5m ? Ive seen a good promo on a Mono 2016 5m, but never tested one, there is also the 3.5m option...
absolutely! My 6m speed5 is very on or off....it will pull you out of your straps if you don't respect it. Very fast moving and depower is very sensitive as well. but a very large range of upper end. I have not had a day when I needed a smaller kite. The notion of a 4m is very foreign to me.Peter_Frank wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:52 pmPedro Marcos wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:05 pmNice chart, its seems acurate for LEI kites, should have some variations according to kite design (AR specially). It seems i need a 4meters LEI or something, i decided that i dont want to mess up with foil kites in high winds for now. So which kite i choose for my 4 or 5m ? Ive seen a good promo on a Mono 2016 5m, but never tested one, there is also the 3.5m option...
I cant say really....
But my experience is, that medium sized kites like 6 or 7 or even an 8 m2 got a huuuge range both up and down, by far the biggest range.
An 8 can easily be ridden in 10 knots if needed, with the appropiate wing (but I prefer to be well powered so choosing something around a 10 m2)
A 6 m2 can just be ridden in 13-14 knots with a reasonble wing too, if needed, and got a really high upper end.
When you go smaller though, for some reason I find it way more critical that the kite is spot on, in order NOT to be overpowered in moves or carves and waves.
I can not say why, but it is like they get too on/off in these sizes, so more difficult if on the small size, compared to the huge windrange medium kitesizes got.
It could also be the sheer windspeed and acceleration of these smaller ones, that makes it hard if even a tad too big in maneuvers ?
Thus I find the jump from 3.5 to 5 m2 I got to be VERY big, and would love to have had a 4 m2 instead.
Maybe it is just me, but if others find the same, a 4 to go with your 6 would be quite a gap unfortunately, definitely not something I could live with.
I dont know which 6 m2 you got, but I know that the Mono in the bigger sizes got lots of pull, so if the same in 5, it is quite close to your 6 m2
So something between 4.5 and 5 m2 same type as your 6 could be a good choice.
Or a different kite corresponding to a 4.5 to 5 m2 in power.
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