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Going from Short Mast to Long mast Advice

Postby Big Wally » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:23 pm

It seems when I try the Long mast that when I dive the Kite the drag/resistance seems much different than w the short mast. Obviously it’s more surface area and more rigid?? I don’t seem to be able to go very far before I fall and it seems like my Speed w Board flat on water is way slower than w the Short mast.

I read where people say: ITS NO DIFFERENT THAN A SHORT MAST. Am I dreaming or is there an adjustment needed to get going?

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Re: Going from Short Mast to Long mast ADVICE

Postby UKSurf » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:37 pm

From my own experience there is a massive difference between the 60cm and 1m Liquid force mast for the Foil Fish. Surface riding the 60cm mast feels like riding a surfboard with a big fin. Full length mast totally different feel

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Re: Going from Short Mast to Long mast ADVICE

Postby Big Wally » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:25 pm

Thank you. So I’m not the only one. What do I need to adjust or do differently?

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Re: Going from Short Mast to Long mast Advice

Postby TomW » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:48 pm

You gotta realise that you are riding a wing under water, not the board. Forget the board.
Don't think. Feel the wing.
It's kinda new age, zen thing.
You'll get it after some hours.

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Re: Going from Short Mast to Long mast Advice

Postby UKSurf » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:09 pm

TomW wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:48 pm
You gotta realise that you are riding a wing under water, not the board. Forget the board.
Don't think. Feel the wing.
It's kinda new age, zen thing.
You'll get it after some hours.
The issue is how the length of the mast effects the feel of the board before takeoff, not once you are on the wing. In my experience there is a big difference between surface riding with a shorter mast vs a full length mast.

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Re: Going from Short Mast to Long mast ADVICE

Postby UKSurf » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:14 pm

Big Wally wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:25 pm
Thank you. So I’m not the only one. What do I need to adjust or do differently?
I mainly ride my shorter mast now so cant really advise you too much. I think you need to get up on foil quicker and not spend so much time surface riding at speed.With a shorter mast surface riding is alot easier in my experience

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Re: Going from Short Mast to Long mast Advice

Postby Big Wally » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:32 pm

Good point. Once up on foil they don’t feel any different. It’s the takeoff as you said to get UP on foil that’s trickin me.

You are dead on! It’s the surface riding that is throwing me.

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Re: Going from Short Mast to Long mast Advice

Postby TomW » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:37 pm

I'm 75 hours into it and flying around easily. But a year ago I was still surface riding.
It takes some time, and spending 2-4 sessions just learning to ride on surface, in control, keeping up wind, us worth the effort. It gives you confidence.
You have to be able to taxi on the run-way before take off and landing.

When doing surface riding, you are still riding the wing. Best advice I got from my instructor was to think about the wing, imagine I am riding the wing, not the board. Forget the board. Forget the board. Forget the board.

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Re: Going from Short Mast to Long mast Advice

Postby TomW » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:40 pm

To be clear. If you can't taxi and get going on the run-way, your not going to lift off. Surface riding is a key skill to have.

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Re: Going from Short Mast to Long mast Advice

Postby UKSurf » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:43 pm

TomW wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:37 pm
I'm 75 hours into it and flying around easily. But a year ago I was still surface riding.
It takes some time, and spending 2-4 sessions just learning to ride on surface, in control, keeping up wind, us worth the effort. It gives you confidence.
You have to be able to taxi on the run-way before take off and landing.
This is not about being able to ride the foil or not. This is about someone who can ride the foil on the short mast but is finding the take offstage different when transitioning to a longer mast - which it is in my experience


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