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Re: How high are you pointing upwind? Are 30° already possible?

Postby BraCuru » Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:08 pm

Flysurfer Soul 15m, Moses Comet 2018, wind 12kts, no current:
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The feeling is unbelievable.
It was one of my first rides with Soul and I had impression that I go almost directly into the wind.
I think that with a bit more training even an amateur rider like me can achieve 30 degrees upwind.
However the board's speed was low - max 16kts. VMG rather poor too.

BTW. I use a Garmin kite app which shows me real heading while riding. It helps a lot.

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Re: How high are you pointing upwind? Are 30° already possible?

Postby Regis-de-giens » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:23 pm

Great ! Same feeling with my pulsion, hence my remark on the upwind angle vs kite medium ratio.

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Re: How high are you pointing upwind? Are 30° already possible?

Postby BraCuru » Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:17 am

Regis-de-giens wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:23 pm
Great ! Same feeling with my pulsion, hence my remark on the upwind angle vs kite medium ratio.
Regis - I fully agree with your points.
I was compering Flysurfer Soul 15 vs Ozone R1V2 and Moses Comet 2018 vs MikeLabs 2018 together with one of the top World racers a couple weeks ago.
We were swapping the gear in all possible configurations.
Soul could go upwind a bit higher than R1V2.
However her upwind speed was up to 5kts slower!!!

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Re: How high are you pointing upwind? Are 30° already possible?

Postby Horst Sergio » Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:42 am

Pedro Marcos wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:03 pm
Interesting, what about downwind? Are you able to hold some speed?
Pretty poor,
but enough to not be outdistanced by normal good freeride foiler to much. Top speeds are 38 km/h and 35 km/h on low and high AR wings and around 32 km/h mean for 1 km,
but If going downwind for some km I spend the time to improve my skills in stunt kiting ("It is realy possible to fly a high AR foil oversheeted, pointing backwards constantly" is one of the results :wink: :D )
Also on half-wind, speed is similar poor, but enough for low level boosting all board offs, etc.
Just upwind I am on a VMG level of 13 knts and so competitive with amateur freeracers, but in contrast to stabifoils, best VMG of my monos is always close to the highest angle, as I always try to avoid the higher board speeds.
But while I think I can push the speeds another small step by around 3 km/h, it is not even the goal to go anything higher.

The Goal when changing from stabi to mono was always to avoid dangerous speeds of 50 - 60+ km/h and having a very compact well transportable, but in many aspects also very high performing toy. That this toy is maybe in some special diciplins, as low wind or upwind angle, able to set the mark or at least to be close to it, is just a part of the results. It has never been the goal to find a "one trick pony", but exactly the opposite:

One simple compact and not dangerous foil for most conditions and disciplins (wave, freestyle, freeride, upwind-freerace) with great low wind performance, for me = Monofoil

@Bracuru:
thanks for sharing, impressive values, especially for the Soul which I didn't expect :thumb: If I would go back to stabifoils Mike's Lab or comet could be also my choice

And yes, feeling especially in the tacks is impressive, as if the system just wants to pull you upwind upwind upwind all the time :D


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