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Ketos wave xl vs Moses Onda 633?

Postby jaros » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:28 pm

How do they compare, if someone has experience with both? Thank you.
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Re: Ketos wave xxl vs Moses Onda 633?

Postby BWD » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:26 pm

Probably only developers and teamriders for ketos and moses have tried both.
Some French forum posters seem to feel moses is somewhat stealing the ideas of ketos's bigger wings.
I have no idea about that. Ketos is not a big shop, so if I had to guess, I would guess there are no more than a dozen or so ketos xxl wings in existence.
If I had a generous budget I might order a ketos foil, their gear looks awesome and they have some good riders!

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Re: Ketos wave xxl vs Moses Onda 633?

Postby jakemoore » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:35 pm

Ketos stuff is so nice and so light. Very beautiful craftsmanship.

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Re: Ketos wave xxl vs Moses Onda 633?

Postby sedluk » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:07 pm

I have the FR XL and the Wave XL, I have never heard of the Wave XXL

My favorite wing is the FR 2, just a good all around wing. I have the FR XL for light wind but usually just leave the FR 2 on the board so I don't use it much. If the waves are really rough like Maui, I prefer the Wave XL. I can keep my speed down and very maneuverable.

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Re: Ketos wave xl vs Moses Onda 633?

Postby jaros » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:20 am

Sorry, i ment Wave XL not XXL. I edited my post now.
Thank you for all your answers, keep them comming...

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Re: Ketos wave xxl vs Moses Onda 633?

Postby tripman » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:59 am

sedluk wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:07 pm
I have the FR XL and the Wave XL, I have never heard of the Wave XXL

My favorite wing is the FR 2, just a good all around wing. I have the FR XL for light wind but usually just leave the FR 2 on the board so I don't use it much. If the waves are really rough like Maui, I prefer the Wave XL. I can keep my speed down and very maneuverable.
Wave XXL is a new wing for summer 2018, now called Aile1200.

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Re: Ketos wave xl vs Moses Onda 633?

Postby Peter_Frank » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:48 pm

jaros wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:20 am
Sorry, i ment Wave XL not XXL. I edited my post now.
Thank you for all your answers, keep them coming...

Aaaah, the Ketos WaveXL. It is 790 cm2 quite low AR.

The Onda 633 is extremely low AR, and apparently (according to grigorib having measured) around 1190 cm2 so MUCH bigger and should maybe be compared to a XXL :roll:

I know the wing profile makes a huge difference too, but size can be used as a rough guideline often, when you got nothing else.

The Ketos WaveXL (790 cm2 AR 4.2) is my most used wing (out of 5 wings), and when windier I also change to the Wave wing (570 cm2 AR 4.4), for having more speed and also loads of agility - soooo lively too.

In less wind (REALLY low wind) I would sometime use a higher AR wing, as 4.2 is not the best upwind as drag increases the lower you go in AR, and below 4 the max lift also start to suffer more and more.

But in most conditions the low AR wings are great for playing around, which many has discovered now, thus happy with both the Onda and WaveXL wings.


Moses Onda 633 (1190 cm2 AR 3.3) seems like a very different wing in both size and AR in itself, and should maybe be compared to the not released Ketos XXL (Aile1200) ?

Dont know and can definitely not compare how they ride, compared.

Would just list the surface and span (well, AR that says more than span) so some rough data to compare.

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Re: Ketos wave xl vs Moses Onda 633?

Postby Frankieboy » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:10 pm

to me onda and Ketos 1200 are SUP wings now being used for kite foiling
Ketos 1200 can be used on kite fuselage, not sure about the onda, I think it is dedicated fuselage (and mast?)
Obviously a very nice feeling for riding waves.
Ketos 1200 is on my wish list for sure (ride currently the wave XL) as I am on the (very) heavy side

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Re: Ketos wave xl vs Moses Onda 633?

Postby BWD » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:46 pm

ketos 1200 can be used on kite fuselage
How? The pictures in their website show 4 holes in a parallelogram shape instead of two or three in a row, and sold with a windsurf fuselage...
There always seems to be some extra info about ketos beyond what is on their website or the French forum...
Inside scoop, rumor or wrong info??? Too mysterious!

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Re: Ketos wave xl vs Moses Onda 633?

Postby revhed » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:30 am

BWD wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:46 pm
How?
By using only the outside inline screws will mount just fine, seen it done and used!
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