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f2020
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby f2020 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:40 am

And a board painted in white!

Where I live it's so hot that if you leave a black board under the sun for a few minutes you can start cook eggs on it. The board will likely crack because the air inside will expand. A black board is an absolute no for me.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby Foil » Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:42 am

f2020 wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:40 am
And a board painted in white!

Where I live it's so hot that if you leave a black board under the sun for a few minutes you can start cook eggs on it. The board will likely crack because the air inside will expand. A black board is an absolute no for me.
on that point,
can any credible board builder say why any air would be in a modern closed cell foam, vacuum produced,board or whatever process is used, black carbon foil board.
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby handy » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:33 am

can any credible board builder say why any air would be in a modern closed cell foam
most modern boards are made with an EPS open cell foam, so the lighter the foam is the more air is in the foam.
In board under 25-30 l heat (expanding air) should not be a problem, but there are a lot of XPS foams that gas out and cause delamination.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby f2020 » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:17 am

I had two boards with black carbon finishes in the past. They both cracked! Builders should think that some riders live under the tropics. I only have white finish boards now and no problem.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby TomW » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:52 am

You guys in the topics. You can easily mask off the deck pad with some tape and paper, and spray with white paint or light primer from a can. Then give it a light wet sanding with 800 sandpaper.

You could also just spray bottom and position board in sun.

Yes, it's a band-aid. Best would be if builder have you that option at order.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby jakemoore » Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:32 pm

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Foil wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:42 am
on that point,
can any credible board builder say why any air would be in a modern closed cell foam, vacuum produced,board or whatever process is used, black carbon foil board.
The cells in closed cell foam are filled with air. In addition, gasses are soluble in liquids and solids as a function of temperature and pressure. Even people can get air bubbles in them when moving from low to high pressure, as in decompression sickness. Some surf boards have a gore-Tex vent in hopes to prevent this problem.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby Foil » Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:20 pm

jakemoore wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:32 pm
16421F65-F811-4749-8C98-9ABE77773B1D.jpeg
Foil wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:42 am
on that point,
can any credible board builder say why any air would be in a modern closed cell foam, vacuum produced,board or whatever process is used, black carbon foil board.
The cells in closed cell foam are filled with air. In addition, gasses are soluble in liquids and solids as a function of temperature and pressure. Even people can get air bubbles in them when moving from low to high pressure, as in decompression sickness. Some surf boards have a gore-Tex vent in hopes to prevent this problem.
Thanks Jakemoore,
from looking at the close up images of the 2 foams, it looks like the closed cell foam is way more robust, and much more able to resist absorbing water if the boards surface skin has been cracked or compromised in any way.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby TomW » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:18 pm

The biggest problem with a black board is going to be the laminate getting so hot the epoxy gets damaged. The laminate may delaminate from the foam surface too. Irrespective of it's air expansion or just laminate damage/ delaminate, or any color, keep your board out of the sun if you can.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby BraCuru » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:31 pm


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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:20 pm

Guys seem to have forgotten adding 873 to Kite-Surf section :)

Just like with 633, it’ll be kiters who are going to make their buck buying all this beauty.

The 683S->633->873 makes a very pretty quiver for anyone with 749 fuselage.
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