Before you adjust anything like what kite expert is saying. Try this.norcom wrote:Both? While launching I've had the tip catch and not recover and I've had it launched, in the air, moving it around the window. It felt powered and looked inflated all through. Then while moving it around in the window one of the tips would tuck and catch on some bridle lines.plummet wrote:Is this tip tucking while launching?
Or have you fully inflated the kite have it in the air and get tip pucking when flying?
I think the wind was just too light and I did something wrong. I was worried that it wouldn't stay in the air so I kept trying to move it through the window. Maybe it needed more pressure built up before it could go?
You mean he race foils or any? I side launch all the time and perhaps half the time don't pre inflate at all. The other half, I'm too impatient to do a proper job of it. No problems so far.foilholio wrote:This is why I think side of the window launches are just a waste of time, you need to spend heaps of time preinflating and the kite often ends up downwind anyway. I think inflatable riders cant understand how foils can be "hot" launched, it's because they just have so very little pull until inflated or while backstalled and they don't spike with power like an inflatable.
Depends how you ride, if you ride freestyle or wakestyle you drop the kite a lot and bridles cause large headaches , like death loops. This is why bridleless C kites are preferred for this style of riding. They will talk about slack but that is largely rubbish as other kites can "slack" as well. For me riding waves I somewhat regularly collapse or drop the kite, if something tangles its extremely annoying and could possible get the kite damaged. This is why I don't like anything on foils that causes tangles, like heavy pullies or large knots on pigtails. Even in riding where the kites should really not be dropped like in racing, inexperienced flyers plus very high performance kites with these things will create tangles, especially in gusty lully conditions.kitexpert wrote:but for bridles there are more important design requirements than to avoid tangling.
Ozone has no adjustments for B or C only Z. Which is fine because lengthening Z 8cm is the same for the profile as shortening B 2cm and C 4cm. Shortening B though does move the tow point back when depowered making it more stable depowered but have less depower. It is surprising what effect just the profile alone has on a kites stability and not the tow point. I think the big discover in parafoils is by sewing more reflex in, the tow points have been able to be moved much further forward while still being stable and yet have less pull/better depower. Tension on B rather than viewed as just changing AoA could be looked at as creating a kink in the airfoil at that point, the front of which generates an upward moment and rear a downward moment. Both would combine to make the wing want to increase AoA but not in a classical stiff wing sense.kitexpert wrote: In practice B-linerow should be shortened perhaps 2cm and C 4cm in the problem area of the wing.
This is good advice, I have used it many times testing things.kitexpert wrote: It is wise to make adjustments for one side at the time, so effect is well observable and original setup can be restored if needed.
Hopefully you can find your answer to land the kite in that thread. Oh and you can buy pilot style parafoils cheap off ebay just search for "parafoil". Maybe it will work. Or you could add a fifth line if you want peace of mind. Either make it or get one from a flysurfer speed or sonic , if they are available. I am sure ozone would make it for you as well.foilholio wrote: On a side note it would be possible to design a device to snag the tip bridles and flag the kite out. Could be a hook on a stake to hold it upright, with a loop and leash that you tether to your kitebag or other bag full of sand. Fly the tip into it, you'll know when it catches , and then quickly run at the kite to flag it. One of the brands could take the idea and make it really quite cool, like a tent stick style construction so it packs very compact. Maybe with a large detachable plastic hook so it doesn't damage the bridles. Oh and now the really cool idea, no stake, no sticks, a self flying mini pilot style kite with a hook that you fly directly off the sandbag/kitebag/sand anchor( flat bit of fabric buried). It could be really tiny and so cute lol. Call it a "parking kite" instead of pilot. I want to make it ROFL
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