https://web.archive.org/web/20090707221 ... &mnid=1744kitexpert wrote:"...so a kite that goes from a slight ~85% PA to high ~98% is indeed possible." -foilholio
No, I wouldn't say so. Or maybe, but not a good idea. Those figures compromize too much some of the benefits with reasonable canopy curve.
In P4 there is quite normal arc which gets more C-shaped when depowered and flatter when powered.
kitexpert wrote:""The A15 is already at a design level of what could be expected from flysurfer." -foilholio
Yes, in 3D wire frame picture there is very much same as in FS's old CAD picture of Speed3. But line row locations are different, like there is probably different airfoil. Otherwise those strange B-C locations are not justified - if they are in any case.
They do indeed copy. The mini ribs are from flysurfer but where did flysurfer get them? The dual air intakes I think flysurfer had a long time ago ,but recently I have seen them on an obscure french brand. Copying is normal for some brands, I have witnessed a brand start it's development of a kite by copying another's exactly. They then proceeded to f*** it up so it looked more original. God I hope most brands don't do that. The changes they make seem like they lack fundamental understanding. I hope Pansh is not like that, well at least they are cheap. Plenty of reading and trying things is the only way to become knowledgeable in any field. English is of a great benefit in that regard, Chinese not so much.kitexpert wrote: Pansh goes it's own way perhaps too much. I think they should study and copy more. It's not what they like but what users like.
kitexpert wrote: "There is no other way for one bridle to support different arc shapes but to have simple cascading like 2 levels or none at all." -foilholio
No, supporting certain arc is not that precise and even no cascaded bridle line row is fixed anyway for some curve. Some pulleys to self-adjust linerow for different arcs (different PA's) would be needed IMO but P4 does not have them. Perhaps they would divide forces harmfully in other respects.
And why should different arc shapes be fully supported? P4 max depowered flies supported (almost) on A lines only. When powered CoL moves further back, towards to flatter B and C line row bridle configurations. So then kite gets flatter and has more PA. Additionally P4 deflates a bit when depowered, it makes wingtips flap down and get PA smaller. Air intake location has a function there.
In P4 bridle cascades are there. Too bad I can't refresh my memory from FS's lineservice, they've messed their website. Changing PA in P4 is remarkable achievement technically but perhaps less in practice, I know some kiters which preferred P3 and then went to Speed or LEI's.
kitexpert wrote: There is no bridle support for flying shape in arcs.
kitexpert wrote:"Again the bridle is not the only thing that gives a foil kite it's shape. how blatant can I get " -foilholio
For canopy curve or for changes in PA it is.
No shit.kitexpert wrote:I don't see connection to show kites at all, if they are not arcs.
ARCs have almost nothing to do with C kites. They are 100% parafoils and are infact bridle supported in all variations. 2 front lines in a V is a bridle.kitexpert wrote:Arcs have very little in common with foilkites when it comes to how they fly and support themselves.By flying shape they are C kites.
There is no limits on how small the LE diameter can be, it can even not exist. The pro kite designers know what they are doing? Is that a joke? How could the board designer from one of the worst brands, out do the whole lot of them? And you have "pro kite designers" from the left and right saying I don't see the benefit of that design!, no shit you don't fuckwits otherwise you would have already done it.kitexpert wrote:There is practical limits to how small LE diameter can be. And thicker ones do fly well, even better. Limits are tested years ago and pro kite designers know what they are doing. Of course they have to do compromises, for many reasons.
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