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Re: Concept Air Smart Wave 6.5 & 4.5 & 3 and now 8.5

Postby Tony » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:40 pm

Any thoughts on how the CA Waves compare (wind range) to LEI kites?
Would the 8.5/4.5 compare to LEI 10m/7m, other?
That helps me understand ranges a bit more and takes rider weight and wing size out of the equation.
I also like a nice overlap, my current LEI kites are 7/9/12 which is perfect for me.
I was hoping the 8.5 would be similar to the 12m but seems a bit smaller although I am not using it effectively yet so that could change.
Thanks
Tony

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Re: Concept Air Smart Wave 6.5 & 4.5 & 3 and now 8.5

Postby Iridian » Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:55 pm

stefFZ wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:31 pm
Hi Iridian,
Iridian wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:24 pm
Could you try making one of these in Dyneema instead of the normal fabric?
What do you mean by "one of these"? The sock, the kite, ...?

The kite.

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Re: Concept Air Smart Wave 6.5 & 4.5 & 3 and now 8.5

Postby kitexpert » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:19 am

Dyneema fabric is too expensive. Even now material costs are considerable part of the final cost of the kite. Work is cheap in sweatshops, good materials not so.

We wouldn't buy (as many) kites if decent salaries could be payed to workers. Geez it is nice to be wealthy and to live in free prosperous western world, isn't it?

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Re: Concept Air Smart Wave 6.5 & 4.5 & 3 and now 8.5

Postby stefFZ » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:40 am

Hi Iridian, I do not build these kites. Benoît Tremblay builds them. As far as I know, kite material comes from Porcher. Kites are all build in Canada in his workshop (Québec 100%).

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Re: Concept Air Smart Wave 6.5 & 4.5 & 3 and now 8.5

Postby Iridian » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:55 pm

kitexpert wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:19 am
Dyneema fabric is too expensive. Even now material costs are considerable part of the final cost of the kite. Work is cheap in sweatshops, good materials not so.

We wouldn't buy (as many) kites if decent salaries could be payed to workers. Geez it is nice to be wealthy and to live in free prosperous western world, isn't it?

Maybe a limited production run. I'd like to see the flight characteristics relative to polyester.

I think foil kites would be uniquely suited to it.

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Re: Concept Air Smart Wave 6.5 & 4.5 & 3 and now 8.5

Postby stefFZ » Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:57 pm

Iridian wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:55 pm
Maybe a limited production run. I'd like to see the flight characteristics relative to polyester.

I think foil kites would be uniquely suited to it.
You have a "recent" thread here on kiteforum viewtopic.php?t=2393279 which doesn't sound very optimistic on the sewing part. Maybe worth continuing discussing on this dedicated thread?

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Re: Concept Air Smart Wave 6.5 & 4.5 & 3 and now 8.5

Postby Sombra » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:48 am

Tony wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:40 pm
Any thoughts on how the CA Waves compare (wind range) to LEI kites?
Would the 8.5/4.5 compare to LEI 10m/7m, other?
That helps me understand ranges a bit more and takes rider weight and wing size out of the equation.
I also like a nice overlap, my current LEI kites are 7/9/12 which is perfect for me.
I was hoping the 8.5 would be similar to the 12m but seems a bit smaller although I am not using it effectively yet so that could change.
Thanks
Tony
Hi

I have a CA Wave 6,5 and a Reo V3 10.
I would say the Wave is comparable to a Reo 9 (closer to 8 than to 10)

I hope this helps

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Re: Concept Air Smart Wave 6.5 & 4.5 & 3 and now 8.5

Postby Iridian » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:27 pm

stefFZ wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:57 pm
Iridian wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:55 pm
Maybe a limited production run. I'd like to see the flight characteristics relative to polyester.

I think foil kites would be uniquely suited to it.
You have a "recent" thread here on kiteforum viewtopic.php?t=2393279 which doesn't sound very optimistic on the sewing part. Maybe worth continuing discussing on this dedicated thread?
Sure. I'll make one in a bit.

That's actually the reason I think a foil kite would be uniquely suited. Don't have to worry about the 8+ psi of the lei.

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Re: Concept Air Smart Wave 6.5 & 4.5 & 3 and now 8.5

Postby Tony » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:48 pm

Sombra wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:48 am
Hi
I have a CA Wave 6,5 and a Reo V3 10.
I would say the Wave is comparable to a Reo 9 (closer to 8 than to 10)
I hope this helps
Thanks Sombra, That helps and kind of confirms what I'm thinking.

I'm not having much luck getting this kite out in the right winds. Saturday was blowing pretty hard, averaging 22. I was on my own and a little unsure so waited a bit. It dropped to 18 and I headed out. Well I tried side launch twice but wasn't working, needed more weight on the upwind tip and the kite was a bit shadowed. The winds were dropping so I launched straight downwind, no issues.
Was able to get up on foil looping the kite but 15min needed two loops to get on the foil and not enough power to stay there. The wind completely dropped out. Got close to shore and the kite dropped, wouldn't stay in the air. Should have gone out a bit sooner, think it would have been fine.
Sunday was way too strong and bad direction for the foil.

Hope to get more time on this kite soon. Hope the really cold weather holds off for a bit.

Tony

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Re: Concept Air Smart Wave 6.5 & 4.5 & 3 and now 8.5

Postby jannik » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:04 pm

Tony wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:48 pm
Sombra wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:48 am
Hi
I have a CA Wave 6,5 and a Reo V3 10.
I would say the Wave is comparable to a Reo 9 (closer to 8 than to 10)
I hope this helps
Thanks Sombra, That helps and kind of confirms what I'm thinking.

I'm not having much luck getting this kite out in the right winds. Saturday was blowing pretty hard, averaging 22. I was on my own and a little unsure so waited a bit. It dropped to 18 and I headed out. Well I tried side launch twice but wasn't working, needed more weight on the upwind tip and the kite was a bit shadowed. The winds were dropping so I launched straight downwind, no issues.
Was able to get up on foil looping the kite but 15min needed two loops to get on the foil and not enough power to stay there. The wind completely dropped out. Got close to shore and the kite dropped, wouldn't stay in the air. Should have gone out a bit sooner, think it would have been fine.
Sunday was way too strong and bad direction for the foil.

Hope to get more time on this kite soon. Hope the really cold weather holds off for a bit.

Tony
I can also confirm your findings. My 4.5 and 6.5 replaced 5 and 7m. Switch Elements. I might have a bit better range in both ends but nothing major. I can ride the 6.5 when most people ride 9(as before) and I have never been overpowered on the 4.5. For once we are comparing LEIs and foils with close to same ARs which makes them more similar.

About launching - you can always launch straight downwind. This kite depowers so well that it is very tame if you sheet out. If you are worried pull the trims trap a bit if you have one (I don't) or steer it to the side once off the ground (side wards pull instead of up).

^this on a surfboard. I don't hydrofoil.

Jannik


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