Hi there,
Just got Elf Joker7, 11m and 15m. What is the use of the diable line there?
Thanks.
Ariel
Thanks Mossy, always appreciate your high quality reply.Mossy 757 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:09 pmYou can tune the bridle as well as your bar so that when you let out your trimmer all the way and pull the bar against the chicken loop it increases the final ratios of the bridle to greatly increase camber for more downwind angle. When I first flew my 15m, my flying lines were all equal length with the trimmer at full power and my bar against my chicken loop. In this setup, the Diablo line did not even engage. I shortened my rear lines a tiny amount so that being fully sheeted at full power induced some oversheeting (backstall) which helped me control the kite at the edge of the wind window, and also helped the Diablo line engage. Now that my bar has this oversheeting tuned into it, my "full power" downwind setting is letting the trimmer all the way out, then pulling it back in about 1".
I think the trick for tuning it is to get the kite so that it flies very well at full power downwind, then gradually increase the amount the Diablo engages until you find the sweet spot.
As highly engineered as Elfs are, they definitely need an experienced hand when setting them up for the race course, and their speed system is not the easiest to adjust compared to Flysurfer or the new Ozone system. I still don't feel like I ever really got mine dialed in correctly, but once I'm done with my post-injury rehab intend to spend a lot of time messing around tuning it.
Mossy,ariel_cloud wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:48 amThanks Mossy, always appreciate your high quality reply.Mossy 757 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:09 pmYou can tune the bridle as well as your bar so that when you let out your trimmer all the way and pull the bar against the chicken loop it increases the final ratios of the bridle to greatly increase camber for more downwind angle. When I first flew my 15m, my flying lines were all equal length with the trimmer at full power and my bar against my chicken loop. In this setup, the Diablo line did not even engage. I shortened my rear lines a tiny amount so that being fully sheeted at full power induced some oversheeting (backstall) which helped me control the kite at the edge of the wind window, and also helped the Diablo line engage. Now that my bar has this oversheeting tuned into it, my "full power" downwind setting is letting the trimmer all the way out, then pulling it back in about 1".
I think the trick for tuning it is to get the kite so that it flies very well at full power downwind, then gradually increase the amount the Diablo engages until you find the sweet spot.
As highly engineered as Elfs are, they definitely need an experienced hand when setting them up for the race course, and their speed system is not the easiest to adjust compared to Flysurfer or the new Ozone system. I still don't feel like I ever really got mine dialed in correctly, but once I'm done with my post-injury rehab intend to spend a lot of time messing around tuning it.
Ariel
1. Yesariel_cloud wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:59 amMossy,
1. let out trimmer all the way, means lengthen the front lines right?
2. pull the bar against chicken loop, means sheeting in right?
These add up to give more camber.
Ariel
I've heard some people get good results emailing Elf directly asking for the tuning numbers for their kite, you might also message them on Facebook. I did a group buy through Vadim at Greenhat Kiteboarding when I bought it and he was working directly with the designer/owner of the company as they both speak Russian. You might be able to contact him through his website and ask for tuning numbers: https://greenhatkiteboarding.com/volume311 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:52 pmThanks for the info. I purchased a used J7 15m last year that was tuned very well, not that I would be able to tell the difference, but I haven’t had any issues you’ve described. But I’m not in the foiling game, just use it to rip around on a TT in lighter breeze.
Is there a good diagram/tuning chart explaining the setup of these kites? The speed system/Diablo line and how it all interacts is a mystery to me at this point.
Thanks Mate, I also brought the jokers from Vadim, they did a nice job.Mossy 757 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:43 pmI've heard some people get good results emailing Elf directly asking for the tuning numbers for their kite, you might also message them on Facebook. I did a group buy through Vadim at Greenhat Kiteboarding when I bought it and he was working directly with the designer/owner of the company as they both speak Russian. You might be able to contact him through his website and ask for tuning numbers: https://greenhatkiteboarding.com/volume311 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:52 pmThanks for the info. I purchased a used J7 15m last year that was tuned very well, not that I would be able to tell the difference, but I haven’t had any issues you’ve described. But I’m not in the foiling game, just use it to rip around on a TT in lighter breeze.
Is there a good diagram/tuning chart explaining the setup of these kites? The speed system/Diablo line and how it all interacts is a mystery to me at this point.
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