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Hi everyone..The prices are extremely low ... any good,any reviews?

http://www.panshkite.com/index.php?gOo=shop.dwt

Yes they are good, models vary from good to less good Some like some tweaking, overall the value is exceptional. Oh and try the search button.

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Exceptional value. Lots of good feedback on this forum (pro and con) if you search "Pansh".

This is a good group to join too: https://m.facebook.com/groups/310784309736

YES!
So far 2 12m2 ULs being used but so far only dry tests as wind not ok for foiling as in 3 knots! OR cranking!
They both seem to fly just fine, turn ok, pull , fly fast enough, do note that the L E in between cells really deforms inwards because no battons ala Ozone, F S.
Sewing looks fine, bridles look and may just be of lower quality spectra, time will tell.
Also mixer not delivered like most others because A B C Z not even when line pig tails are.
I have attempted to do premptive mixer AND bridle marks, measures to help control both and tune easy.
Hope more once used!
R H

I take it you finally got one? What model?

foilholio wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:40 am

I take it you finally got one? What model?

Yes could not resist half price, half price, bought from someone who flew it with good results.
White red tips 12m2 UL Aurora 2
And so funny another local had ordered exact same so we compaired yesterday both seem just fine!
Made marks like F S soul on every bridle close to the kite AND sewed black thread for saftey while mixer correct and line pig tails even, did not really take that long.
Also discovered a new adjustment using North 5th line ball stopper system, loop thur ball then free end thru loop, seems faster and better than F S rings but again time will tell.
Will always leave A fixed, B and C sewn loop at bridles, other end larks head thru pully as is easy to pull to even after adjust ball stopper loop.
Z just a fig 8 knot
off to use it now if winds holds out as now 9 knots.
R H

Flysurfer used balls before but not in the way you describe. Being plastic the sun eventually destroyed them and they were harder to loosen to adjust.

Good you are getting along with the kite, they are good kites. Hopefully they start paying attention to the mods being done to the A15 now and soon release an updated version of that. I would really like them to thin the airfoil... Conceptair has the right idea with low AR but thin airfoils. Making kites fat so they are slow and park easy at low speed puts such a stupid cap on their potential performance.

foilholio wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:25 pm

Flysurfer used balls before but not in the way you describe. Being plastic the sun eventually destroyed them and they were harder to loosen to adjust.

Good you are getting along with the kite, they are good kites. Hopefully they start paying attention to the mods being done to the A15 now and soon release an updated version of that. I would really like them to thin the airfoil... Conceptair has the right idea with low AR but thin airfoils. Making kites fat so they are slow and park easy at low speed puts such a stupid cap on their potential performance.

Eh... Is there a stupid cap on potential in Soul because it has thick airfoil?

"superfast, dynamic, gives huge pull for waterstart...fast turning...atomic pull in power zone", "17s hangtime", "very direct and fast", "explosive jump ability of the modern C kites" etc. etc.

And perhaps it would be reasonable to define what "thin" and "fat" is for airfoils as well as what it is for kites. Eyeballing from the pictures is not quite precise enough

"Mods" to the A15 are not essential, better is to redesign it completely. Using experience what is good and useful in it and updating clumsy details etc. there is considerable room for development. I could do it in less than 1hour, so it is not that big work.

Wow it really eats into you comments about the superiority of thinner airfoils Thicker airfoils were your obsession when you had that tubekite designing job? Problem is tubes are not airfoils and making them thick does not have any aerodynamic benefits except in their deluded designers minds. Still to this day the highest performance kites are... the original kites, those ones with single skins and thin carbon spars, not even modern race kites can beat them.

As to the Soul those are all marketing terms, sure it is a good kite, looks to be quite refined and most likely the best currently, but if you were to hop from speed 5 to soul you wouldn't say it is twice as good.

Mods are always good if they improve something. Infact all good design or better invention is an iteration of improvements and that is what mods usually are. Just drawing a kite straight up is a recipe for failing. For the likes of a good brand like Flysurfer, most time would be spend testing and adjusting manually little things on a kite to get it just right and gain a fundamental better understanding and a better kite.

Yes the A15 can be improved, thinner airfoil would do a lot. Total redesign is not necessary, modifying (mod) existing features with improvements will suffice, A15 is already a good kite! I wouldn't want to ruin it by letting a hamfisted designer try copy it Oh and eyeballing in person is fine, you have flown A15 right? lol.

Oh and good things do not come in 1 hour they are hard fought for and take much time. Good luck "expert". lol