not 100% sure on the 11m and 13m i haven't flown them in there upper range or seen anyone fly them in those winds

maybe 18knot max for 11m .

15knots for the 13m

again thats my thoughts for a newbie. once you have experience you can hold a lot more power. yesterday i was holding down my 15m manta kitesurfing in winds gusting to 25 knots!!!!

it was literally insane.

PS DO NOT use open cell foils one the water!! if you crash them your stuffed!

I think that the 11 or 13 would be the call for you. A lot can be learned on a 6 meter that translates to a bigger kite. If you will be on the flats most of the time go for the 11 frenzy if you only want two kites. If you plan to buy three then go with the 6-9-13. A foil over 13m is not needed on the flats! imo! good luck waynpjh

I decided to go with frenzy 9m for this year and I will see for next year if I get a manta 12 !
6 9 12, my quiver will be multiples of three !!

I just think you guys ride and fly, for now I prefer riding and jumping a little. Most of that I can do with my access 6m only !

Good choice, 'flick! You will be so psyched about this year's Frenzy! After you have flown and grown into your 9m, you may feel that a 13m will be you go-to kite for light winds and/or deeper snow days. But that's a ways out, enjoy the 9.

Noah