Yes, there is another map. It was a project taken on by a few kiters, mainly because a question was asked on another forum, something like, is there a map that shows the sites that are allowed for flying? I know the county has in the past provided these maps, but I could not find a link to them. Since, in the last meeting I was at with the county, Jan, et al, we discussed the need for a map, and the county assured us it was being taken care of, it was left at that. When the question was asked, I went looking for the link, and found that the county's website still has last years information, and I could not find the link for the maps. Being a little cheesed, I took it upon myself, with the technical help of a few others, to help the county out and build the map for them. This was without thinking about the landowners rights to privacy, which I'm sure you all respect. This is why we took the link down. We are going to discuss this at our next meeting. It may involve no more than O.K.ing it with landowners. No one here is on a power trip, we all want to get out and ride. Jan had to be convinced go be involved this year, as he is getting tired of all the politics, and just wants to ride.(sorry to speak for you, bud but someone needs to) We just don't want to ruin our relationship with the landowners, who have little to gain by our being there. Sorry for the length of this post, but it needs to be discussed. Any ideas or suggestions for us to make this event better, are appreciated, and snobdr, you are welcome to come up and help organize the next fest, as Jan probably won't want to help out next year.