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Rhino04 14.0 tested!

Postby Toby » Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:08 pm

yesterday we had a nice day and winds from 5-6 bft (17-21 knts)

I took out the new Rhino04 14.0 with my X-Shooter bar (55cm) and KPS lines (300kg, very direct steering).

My weight is 86 kgs and a prototype the X-Shooter XXX (122 x 36cm).

I'm used to the Rhino2 14.0, therefore I will compare it to this kite and the AMP 10.3 (14.0 sqm).


Quality:
North improved the quality where it was needed.
The frontube seam is located at the side which will stop wearing out the canopy material. The seams look better in general and are now taped.
See detailed pictures here:
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Depower/Grunt:
this has been the major difference to the Rhino2.
In gusts I had to edge ghard on my Rhino2, but with the Rhino04 a gust doesn't have the hard impact it used to have. Just push the bar away and you don't feel the power.
The kite became a much higher low end, but I cna't say how much more.
But you instantly feel how much more relaxed you can ride with this kite.
The 04 lost in sizes 14 and smaller (according to North) a bit of the grant.
I think so too, that my Rhino2 had more power in the low end.

Speed:
the Rhino04 is much faster than the Rhino2.
So for kiteloops it is perfect, since on full power it turns excellent.
But due to 5 connection pints you can make the kite slower as well, depending on your style.

Lift/hangtime
the lift is great, I would say a bit more than the Rhino2.
Due to the speed of the kite you can really kick you out of the water.
The lift is not too aggressive, more smoother than before.
I felt a difference in the hangtime. The Rhino2's hangtime is better.
Maybe it will be compensated by the higher air, but you feel the difference when landing. The Rhino2 guaranteed a soft landing (when you know the jumping techique....) and the Rhino04 brings you down harder.

If I compare it to other kites, I would say it is a mixture between Rhino2 and Wipika AMP.
The AMP felt the same way like the Rhino04, smooth riding with nice speed and big airs. But the AMP was more sensible to trimming and didn't give me a comfortable feeling, which the Rhino04 does.

Overall Impression:
the Rhino04 is a great kite.
I still love the hangtime of the Rhino2, but everything else has been improved on the Rhino04. So for the new style with kiteloops etc it is perfect. And the stronger pull of the Rhino02 has been changed to a very smooth and relaxed riding.

Pls note that the sizes 14 and smaller are a different design the 16, 18 and 20.
North informed me that the bigger sizes are very similar to the Rhino2 20 and 16, which worked excellent for me.
But sizes 14 and smaller are much faster and have a lot more depower then the R2.

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Toby
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Postby Wawando » Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:51 pm

Thanks! And you added what i suspected and that Nowth let come out by using different colow schemes: 16 to 20 still more gwunty, smallew sizes - fast.
I must definitly test them! When will they be out in Euwope?
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Postby Foxi » Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:54 pm

Hi Toby,

thanks for the smart review !
As range has shifted somehow - will 14 remain your centre size ?
Do you think that North´s Rhino sizes are mostly comparable now with the other big brands in terms of range ?

thanks and aloha

Jürgen

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Postby Toby » Tue Sep 09, 2003 1:26 pm

Wawando
if you can test them yourself, then you will know if they are the best for you!
In Europe they should be out mid of September and sizes 16+ 2 weeks later, according to North


Jürgen
I don't know yet which sizes I will get.
For sure I will replace my 20.0 for a new one (after I tested it...)
Then I don't know...
I will test now in Egypt the R2 14 and the R04 14 one on one and see the differences exactly.
I have in my ind this crazy setup: 20-14(R2)-12-8
So when I can ride 14 I can do board-offs with a bit more hangtime and if I want to go for kiteloops I don't want so much power I will take the new 12.0.
I also have in mind 20-16-12-8.
But I don't want 4 kites so I will see after Egypt, what I'm going to do and if I will go for 20-14-10.

Stay tuned...

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Postby Toby » Tue Sep 09, 2003 1:59 pm

I just heard that the first kites (14 and smaller) will come these days!

So expect more reviews within the next 10 days!

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Re: Rhino04 14.0 tested!

Postby Dwight » Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:08 pm

Toby wrote:
I felt a difference in the hangtime. The Rhino2's hangtime is better.
Maybe it will be compensated by the higher air, but you feel the difference when landing. The Rhino2 guaranteed a soft landing (when you know the jumping techique....) and the Rhino04 brings you down harder.
Greets
Toby
I have a possible answer for our difference in test results with hang time. I found the hang time to be better than my 20m R2. Because the R4 depowers so much more than the R2, you have the ability to “kill” your hang time more by jumping in the chicken loop and landing with bar away from you. You are essentially causing yourself to fall by depowering the kite more than what you experience with the R2. You see the R4 depowers more when the bar is away from you. This makes you fall sooner. You can pull the bar down while jumping, but do you hold the bar down all the way until you touch water again? Most people do not do this. They pull the bar down to jump, but let it back out on landing.

If you use the new North bar with Cabrinha-like Powerlock latching, your hang time will be best, and the landings always soft as a feather.

I always use a powerlock type latching bar. I always fly with the bar latched and land with it latched. My hang time is better than the R2 20.

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Postby Dwight » Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:28 pm

Oops, I just thought of another factor that could make your hang time not as good as what I’m experiencing. Your chicken loop stroke should be shortened to 90mm.

I’ll bet your bar is adjusted for your R2 14, which uses a much longer stroke.

A long chicken loop rope will definitely reduce your hang time and kill the soft landings.

I always land like a feather with 90mm stroke.


Keep in mind the R2 had little depower. Jumping with the bar away from you on a R2, is similar (power-wise) to jumping fixed loop on other kites. This is where the hang time and soft landings came from on the R2. It was all about being forced to jump with the power very high because you couldn’t turn it off.

With the R4, just keep the power on during the flight and landing, especially in the lower range of the kite. It will amaze you with its hang time.

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Postby Toby » Tue Sep 09, 2003 9:22 pm

Hi Dwight,

for jumps with hangtime I always use my fixed loop.
The trim is very good, so that is not a possibility.

I will even test it more for a week and fly it against the R2.
But I already took it out for 3 hrs and pretty much tried everything.

The difference is, when you fly the kite over the zenith before landing, there the R2 hangs a bit more, that makes the difference.
But it still has a good hangtime, no doubt.

From what I heard the R04 20 is almost the same as the R2.

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Postby vide » Tue Sep 09, 2003 10:30 pm

Sounds like it is a little more like the X3 with the extra depower, and faster landings. Toby, I know what you mean about the R2 letting you hang there in the air vompared to less grunty kites with more depower.

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Postby Dwight » Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:30 pm

Toby wrote: From what I heard the R04 20 is almost the same as the R2.

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I was told that too. Now that I've ridden it, I'd say it's changed more than you might think. It's a more loose rear line kite. It goes upwind better. You ride a little faster, but nothing like the 14m. The turning felt the same to me. Power was very good. I think power to get going in light wind is why they say it's like the R2. Other than that, it's quite different.


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