on the 14m in 12knots i can hold my ground easily and boost well on flat water.

those tides and waves make all the difference.

Today helped a friend launch his new 21m NEMI and the wind was 15-20mph he onlys weighs 160 or so pounds and i thought he should of been using his new 12m NEMI, but he said that he was holding it down fine..couldn;t believe it. DId not really get a chance to see the low end but the upper seem great. STF

themasochist:

The R2 20 for sure, but not sure about the R4 20.
I give the R4 20 a minimal bit more low end, but not much.
Can't help you with that decision, sorry.

newskin: as discussed per pm

Can comply with that, i own the 16m so that's about equal in power for my weight (60kg). After several session's i found the bottem end laying around the 8 knots mark on a 180cm directional. The kite is gonna stall in those light winds if you want to pull the bar to get the power you need. The 16 begins to fly real good from 11 knots up, and i then can ride a smaller board also...as i read this i think the 18 nemi has the same characteristics....they may have enough power in 8 knots in theory but it just isn't usable because you can't use it all in that wind range. So is 10 knots really the point where the fun starts for all kites? (a 20m X4 was stalling in 7 knots also) And is it a waste of money to buy a light wind gun for 60kg if it's gonna drop in 7 knots? I began to think the 14m mark is the point of return for me, because i think i can get as much out of it for bottem as the 16 does for me.. Maybe the 21m Nemi has a slightly different design (as i read) to be able to cope with ligher winds better?