There are 2 guys who might tell the BS to adjust the bar or you're not a good rider if your boosting or hangtime is no good on strutlessTheKiteDesigner wrote: You mentioned the 17m may lack hang time and float, Do the smaller sizes lack hang time and float also?
Unfortunately I have flown only the 17m.TheKiteDesigner wrote:Thanks for the review, I have been following and playing with strut less kites and designs with interest, and have been testing/flying a 10m strut less design for a few weeks now, i am kitelooping it with out flapping, and getting great hang time and float. You mentioned the 17m may lack hang time and float, Do the smaller sizes lack hang time and float also?
Amen to this. That is what I do for the small Clouds, too. Way better for you and for the kite if you aren't attached when a wave hits it!lobodomar wrote: For me personally, this CON doesn't have any practical effect, since after having some kites destroyed by waves in the past I've made full ejection a standard procedure if the kite isn't relaunched in a handful of seconds.
I agree, IMO the 17m also has a relatively thin sweet spot. I think the "usable" windrange of the Clouds is actually wider than other kites, but after a certain threshold it's more like survival kiting, with the canopy luffing a lot, very slow turning speed and upwind compromised due to the increased drag, so definitely not enjoyable. But inside the sweet spot it's just in a class of its own when used in the waves! If I could I would definitely buy a 12m to complement the sweet spot of my 17, since my 12m strutted kite simply doesn't work in the surf (doesn't drift enough to keep up with the wave).ankers wrote:Hi guys just received the 14.5 and to give u my impression on the windrange:
Up to now 4 sessions on paipo and alaia. I am 78 kg and kite in warm tradewinds.
1 first session started at 13 knots. Was nicely powered. Didnt need more. Ended at 17. Completely overpowered. Cloud luffing a lot.
2 second session. Between 9 and 11 knots. For me perfect. At 9 i could keep my line. At 11 kn i was going upwind
3 third session started at 11 kn. perfect. Ended with 15 overpowered. Only way to sail was going upwind slowly and kite high
4 fourth session. Same between 12 and 15. Powered very well.
I would say that the sweet spot of this kite for me is 10 to 13 knots. I could try it from 8 to 9 knots onwards and sail it up to 16-17 knots but not really enjoying. When its a steady 13 kn and over i need to downsize. But thats a personal impression, so dont take it as valid for all.
Great job by BRM
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