Gumball: Where is your response to the FS-Bet?

[jahmaze]

Don't be so quick to doubt your creation Alex

.. he just knows what he hypes and what it is true are two different things ..

[Mattdog]

Can Anyone comment on how the FS Speed is for water reluanching?

[johnmelton]

no direct experience with the Speed, but judging from my expirience with other Flysurfers I would say it is easy to relaunch, even with the high aspect it should be easy.

[Klaus (c:E]

Hai,

i had two relaunches with the 10 m² Speed. Astonishingly easy.
Only if water should get into the kite, the Speed shows some disatvantages due to the high AR.

[mikeysfl]

Don't be so quick to doubt your creation Alex

.. he just knows what he hypes and what it is true are two different things ..

My English is bad, but yours sucks.

[high123]

I'm surprised that only a few forum users in the original thread noticed the ridiculous formula Armin wants to use to determine the winner. Read the re-posted message above carefully. He's not applying any weighting factors, just adding/subtracting the elapsed times for the different disciplines.

Going upwind in light winds for -- lets say -- 150 seconds and then subtracting 3 seconds for hang time ... Very smart!

So is going upwind roughly 50 times more important than jumping performance? I don't think so. Talk to any Rhino 2 owners. They sacrifice a lot when it comes to upwind performance compared to modern kites but the jumps are great. So in their view jumping is even more important than going upwind.

I respect Armin for his contribution to foil design but he seems to have a very eccentric view about what is fun in kitesurfing and before he aligns his views with mainstream views this whole bet thing is pretty pointless.

[the_lone_wolf]

hahahaha, the conspiricy theorists are heving a field day in this one

Tone is a moderator and teamrider for http://www.foilzone.com - so am i, he isn't using any alter ego on this forum afaik, and he has no reason to hide from his posts, like some...

carry on......

[jrobson]

I'm surprised that only a few forum users in the original thread noticed the ridiculous formula Armin wants to use to determine the winner. Read the re-posted message above carefully. He's not applying any weighting factors, just adding/subtracting the elapsed times for the different disciplines.

Going upwind in light winds for -- lets say -- 150 seconds and then subtracting 3 seconds for hang time ... Very smart!

So is going upwind roughly 50 times more important than jumping performance? I don't think so. Talk to any Rhino 2 owners. They sacrifice a lot when it comes to upwind performance compared to modern kites but the jumps are great. So in their view jumping is even more important than going upwind.

I respect Armin for his contribution to foil design but he seems to have a very eccentric view about what is fun in kitesurfing and before he aligns his views with mainstream views this whole bet thing is pretty pointless.

Remember 3 jumps, heigh in meters and hangtime in seconds get's taken off, this is only on the last run, not a combined 3 runs, so if the last run is 150 seconds, you can take off 12seconds in hangtime alone, another 6?seconds in jump height. looping the kite 3 times, that time get's added to the last run, so if one kite can turn twice as fast as another there is what, another 6 seconds possible then there was also a suggestion to do a relaunch and to add that to the time as well? So you can easily cut off 20-30 seconds off the run, but even so all different categories will be listed seperately as well, so it doesn't matter what the formula looks like and it is negotionable, a proposal and open to suggestions so don't get caught up in the details. Best never made any proper suggestions from their side.

[jahmaze]

Don't be so quick to doubt your creation Alex

.. he just knows what he hypes and what it is true are two different things ..

My English is bad, but yours sucks.

thanks for the compliment..

[mikeysfl]

your welcome my friend.