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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:21 pm 
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Don't be so quick to doubt your creation Alex


.. he just knows what he hypes and what it is true are two different things ..


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Can Anyone comment on how the FS Speed is for water reluanching?


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no direct experience with the Speed, but judging from my expirience with other Flysurfers I would say it is easy to relaunch, even with the high aspect it should be easy.


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Hai,

i had two relaunches with the 10 m² Speed. Astonishingly easy.
Only if water should get into the kite, the Speed shows some disatvantages due to the high AR.


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jahmaze wrote:
johnmelton wrote:
Don't be so quick to doubt your creation Alex


.. he just knows what he hypes and what it is true are two different things ..


My English is bad, but yours sucks. :bye:


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I'm surprised that only a few forum users in the original thread noticed the ridiculous formula Armin wants to use to determine the winner. Read the re-posted message above carefully. He's not applying any weighting factors, just adding/subtracting the elapsed times for the different disciplines.

Going upwind in light winds for -- lets say -- 150 seconds and then subtracting 3 seconds for hang time ... Very smart!

So is going upwind roughly 50 times more important than jumping performance? I don't think so. Talk to any Rhino 2 owners. They sacrifice a lot when it comes to upwind performance compared to modern kites but the jumps are great. So in their view jumping is even more important than going upwind.

I respect Armin for his contribution to foil design but he seems to have a very eccentric view about what is fun in kitesurfing and before he aligns his views with mainstream views this whole bet thing is pretty pointless.


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hahahaha, the conspiricy theorists are heving a field day in this one :lol:

Tone is a moderator and teamrider for http://www.foilzone.com - so am i, he isn't using any alter ego on this forum afaik, and he has no reason to hide from his posts, like some...

carry on......


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I'm surprised that only a few forum users in the original thread noticed the ridiculous formula Armin wants to use to determine the winner. Read the re-posted message above carefully. He's not applying any weighting factors, just adding/subtracting the elapsed times for the different disciplines.

Going upwind in light winds for -- lets say -- 150 seconds and then subtracting 3 seconds for hang time ... Very smart!

So is going upwind roughly 50 times more important than jumping performance? I don't think so. Talk to any Rhino 2 owners. They sacrifice a lot when it comes to upwind performance compared to modern kites but the jumps are great. So in their view jumping is even more important than going upwind.

I respect Armin for his contribution to foil design but he seems to have a very eccentric view about what is fun in kitesurfing and before he aligns his views with mainstream views this whole bet thing is pretty pointless.


Remember 3 jumps, heigh in meters and hangtime in seconds get's taken off, this is only on the last run, not a combined 3 runs, so if the last run is 150 seconds, you can take off 12seconds in hangtime alone, another 6?seconds in jump height. looping the kite 3 times, that time get's added to the last run, so if one kite can turn twice as fast as another there is what, another 6 seconds possible then there was also a suggestion to do a relaunch and to add that to the time as well? So you can easily cut off 20-30 seconds off the run, but even so all different categories will be listed seperately as well, so it doesn't matter what the formula looks like and it is negotionable, a proposal and open to suggestions so don't get caught up in the details. Best never made any proper suggestions from their side.


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mikeysfl wrote:
jahmaze wrote:
johnmelton wrote:
Don't be so quick to doubt your creation Alex


.. he just knows what he hypes and what it is true are two different things ..


My English is bad, but yours sucks. :bye:



thanks for the compliment.. :bye:


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your welcome my friend. :D


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