You put what Im trying to say in a nice way. Well done.rafjaf wrote:I have to say that in some way I agree with Experimental Player,
I started kitesurfing with C kites and my progression was really slow for 6 months. I then bought bow kites and rode them for a year. I absolutely loved them, thought that they were the future of the sport and the best thing out there. I progressed at such a speed compare to my previous experience with the C kites. However in the space of 1 year I had :
- 1 selflaunch were thebridle got tangled on the wingtip resulting in death spiral : Fair enough you can say it was my fault I should have double checked properly when I selflaunched.
- 1 line breaking on me on the bar pulley : honestly you really couldn't see that the line was weared off.
- 5 front pulley broke while flying resulting in death spiral: for 4 of them it happened while riding or at landing so nothing bad really happened, for one of them i was boosting on high wind and the front pulley broke on the top of the jump which must have been easily 20 feet high. The kite looped 2 times before i was smacked and winded out on the water, thank god the water was waist deep and i was able to stand up.
Since then I've never trusted any kites with pulleys anymore and I'm back to C kite and fifth line.
Now I have to add that I've always ride in suicide mode or freesstyle mode as they call it because there was no 5th line system in those bow kite. And to be honest I might have been beggining but there was no way I was riding a kite i just bought and not be able to unspin the bar after rotation.
So i suppose my example is a bit specific, if your bow kite does have a fifth line that's a big plus because at least you can totally depower the kite and do rotation and don't have to sacrifice one for another.
However you still have the problem of the pulleys and they should definitely do something about it. You can't sell a product knowing that the weakest point in it result in a death spiral.
How often a line break on a C kite honestly? Not as often as a pulley on a bow.
At least Cabrinha seems to be innovativing in this one with the IDS, from what they say, if the front line pulley brake you can still totally depower the kite. That's great.
And I just want to finish by saying that in no way i hate bow kite or people riding it, honestly i couldn't care less what kite people are using. It's just that, from my experience, I don't feel safe riding kite with pulleys anymore and no-one can go on the water throwing jumps and tricks not trusting his equipment.
No crap, this is not the kiteable wind range of a kite we are talking about, this is purely surviving. Even with the kite at the edge of the window (past the stopper) there was enough pull for me to ride my board to shore (cross winds made it easy). When I hit shore i had to keep my hand on the QR in case someone couldn't get to the kite before I got dragged to the edge of the beach. Some guy on a 9m crossbow dumped his kite because the winds were too strong.Experimental player wrote:rafjaf wrote: Missionary man dont fill people full of crap. 12m in 45 knots. You really are a complete dumbow.
I suppose that's fair enough, even if you made it sound a bit dramatic about the 45knots gustMissionMan wrote:You can use that argument in other areas too though. I was hit by a 45knot gust while out on my 12m bow. I was able to safely get through it and get back to land. I don't want to know what would have happened if i had been on a c kite.
Just one question: when you say it flags on a front line, are you talking on release of QR or with a OSH?MissionMan wrote:Somebody caught it and my kite flags out on one of the front lines so I can flag it in strong wind.
That actually works against the bow, in 45kts your going to be over powered on your 12m "100% depower" Bow. Maybe you'll have an early bow kite with a let go of the bar safety but no leash. In that situation your fcuked! Or you could leash out to rear line safety and death spirl with no chance of a reride.MissionMan wrote:You can use that argument in other areas too though. I was hit by a 45knot gust while out on my 12m bow. I was able to safely get through it and get back to land. I don't want to know what would have happened if i had been on a c kite.
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