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Re: Why are posts about Switch kites deleted? Shame on you T

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:22 pm
by dwarf
Epic: Many annoying posts but at least most coming from owner himself who has a lot of passion for the sport and product. Ugly!!! kites though. :-)

Switch: Many annoying post, most switch owners are so called "team riders" which I find especially irritating as a forum user as it only provides biased info which pollutes the content. Kites are really nothing special but prices are good!

Re: Why are posts about Switch kites deleted? Shame on you T

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:27 pm
by Hansen Design
If Toby wants Switch to advertise, he should present a detailed proposal (sales pitch) to Switch management showing irresistible cost/reward benefits which will increase sales sufficient to cover the attendant increased cost. If they are not convinced and choose to decline, that is their business decision. The present situation does not benefit anyone since the users here are more than able to determine what constitutes useless 'pimping' vs. beneficial information exchange.

To clarify, I design the kites as an independent contract designer and am not a Switch owner, shareholder or manager. That said, I have enjoyed Kiteforum for many years and appreciate the general sense of fair play. :thumb:
Laughingman wrote:Well Toby seems to know well enough which posts are by the switch affiliated people.....

Re: Why are posts about Switch kites deleted? Shame on you T

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:54 pm
by Toby
Bill, sorry, I took the first part out...that for sure is not fair play!

so if they don't like the offer (e.g. a full year starts at 850 Euro!!!) they choose to advertise for free, right? Great business! Are they doing the same with their customers? So the customer can say: hey, I don't like your price, I pay 100 bucks only, and you have to sell it for that price? Sure not!
I think it would be fair to put a list up of those who are affiliated with a kite company so we have an idea of how much merit to put into their opinion that they give.
I have a field in the profile where every affiliated person should post their affiliation, so people know.
I do ask users to fill it out if I come across someone who is affiliated and does not state it. This way it is fair to the user and values an opinion more. Too bad, not everyone uses it yet.

Re: Why are posts about Switch kites deleted? Shame on you T

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:12 pm
by Toby
just to make sure some people understand:

the headline is not correct by saying all Switch posts get deleted.
What gets deleted is:

- "News" from Switch and their affiliates
- currently the reviews about Switch kites, since they run a promotion, if you post a review, you can enter a drawing to win a kite. And don't expect Switch to give a free kite to someone who did a negative review...so those reviews are completely biased. Once they stopped their promotion, then it will be a different story

Anything else, does not get deleted. Not sure why someone rants about that. Sometimes there is a reason behind it, unfortunately.

Re: Why are posts about Switch kites deleted? Shame on you T

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:14 pm
by plummet
what amuses me is the weirdo's that don't get the fact that you need to pay for advertising if your selling product...

if i had a forum and had random pimps pimping without that company supporting i'd shut em down too..

now to all the non believers go off and make your own forum and chat unihibited about what you want. maybe a face book pages or something.

Re: Why are posts about Switch kites deleted? Shame on you T

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:37 pm
by Laughingman
Toby wrote:just to make sure some people understand:

the headline is not correct by saying all Switch posts get deleted.
What gets deleted is:

- "News" from Switch and their affiliates
- currently the reviews about Switch kites, since they run a promotion, if you post a review, you can enter a drawing to win a kite. And don't expect Switch to give a free kite to someone who did a negative review...so those reviews are completely biased. Once they stopped their promotion, then it will be a different story

Anything else, does not get deleted. Not sure why someone rants about that. Sometimes there is a reason behind it, unfortunately.
Actually no where in the headline is the word "all".
- currently the reviews about Switch kites, since they run a promotion, if you post a review, you can enter a drawing to win a kite. And don't expect Switch to give a free kite to someone who did a negative review...so those reviews are completely biased.
Toby there is no way that you could prove that unless someone from Switch openly admitted it. You could look at it as a chance to change someones mind who was disappointed for what ever reason.

What if I decided to share Switch news, would you delete my posts. I have absolutely no affiliation but I do like to share news from time to time...

Re: Why are posts about Switch kites deleted? Shame on you T

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:41 pm
by seal218
one word and is in the tittle "SHAME"

what matters is that this post demonstrates more than ever the switch upsets many people

and I use bladekites not switch kites for now ...

SHAME

Re: Why are posts about Switch kites deleted? Shame on you T

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:00 pm
by Toby
now you know you cannot share news for Switch, simple ;-)
every other company is welcome :thumb:

Re: Why are posts about Switch kites deleted? Shame on you T

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:14 pm
by seal218
for me Bye Bye KITEFORUM... you dont respect people

Re: Why are posts about Switch kites deleted? Shame on you T

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:20 pm
by SBBeachbum
Dear Switch guys guys. It is quite simple. Just copy and and paste e.g. a Tautologies or Dimitry post, replace Naish/Epic with Switch and the appropriate model name of your flying fabric and voila, you are not pimping but providing the community with valuable information ....... :thumb: :rollgrin: