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Re: Most Dangerous and aggresive locations in the SE UK

Postby ronnie » Fri Aug 08, 2014 11:31 pm

RichardM wrote:.
It wouldn't matter if wind_rider was 100% wrong and only motivated by maliciousness.

If the forum is going to PRETEND that it offers the opportunity for individuals to communicate with each other about topics affecting kiting, then ANY censorship is BULLSHIT.

Anyone who is "offended" by a post or a thread can either respond with objections or NOT.

Although I haven't read the forum's terms lately, I'm pretty sure they include a disclaimer that the content may be offensive.

It would seem that threads which detail wrongdoing by kiters are subject to censorship.

Wrongful behavior by irresponsible kiters is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT REASON FOR BANS/RESTRICTIONS.

It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that covering up wrongdoing PROMOTES IT !

Therefore, it is extremely BAD for the sport to cover up and/or chill the discussion of kiter misbehavior (although it might be beneficial to certain specific groups with INFLUENCE).

And SHOUTING HAS A PURPOSE.

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This is the minutes of a meeting between the kiters and Lancing Sailing club.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9YG8Hv ... edit?pli=1

The interesting bits are they agreed on 'No known issues'
So it does matter if the "problems" actually exist or not.

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Re: Most Dangerous and aggresive locations in the SE UK

Postby longwhitecloud » Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:01 am

don't censor. if the dude actually was assaulted/ intimidated good luck to him...

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Re: Most Dangerous and aggresive locations in the SE UK

Postby wdric » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:57 am

From that Argus article back in 2011

"A man who stormed a town hall meeting and pelted politicians with cherry tomatoes could be banned from entering public buildings.

Councillors and members of the public were left frozen in shock when Steve McLean launched a torrent of abuse in the middle of a key Brighton and Hove City Council meeting."

Cricky if that is what he is like in person then we can expect anything from a keyboard :o

And as someone else has said, nothing we do or say will stop his rants, it's just the way the guy is

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Re: Most Dangerous and aggresive locations in the SE UK

Postby BigPaul » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:11 am

Reincarnation!

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Re: Most Dangerous and aggresive locations in the SE UK

Postby ronnie » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:13 am

legal_eagle wrote:
ronnie wrote: This is the minutes of a meeting between the kiters and Lancing Sailing club.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9YG8Hv ... edit?pli=1

The interesting bits are they agreed on 'No known issues'
So it does matter if the "problems" actually exist or not.
As a current Lancing Sailing Club member that knows quite a lot about the background at that particular location and has sat through AGM's for the last 5 years listening to Steve being jeered for

1. Being a kite surfer in the 1st place.
2. Suggesting ways the clubs could work better together rather than the current insanely dangerous arrangement where the learner zone is 50 yards upwind of where the kids launch, kids have been cut by kite lines and kite surfers are taught that dinghies have to get out of their way regardless.

I can tell you the general consensus was one of incredulity and that those minutes simply beggar belief given the concern's the committee members themselves have expressed at the last 5 AGM's.

A number of members have produced statements similar to the one shown above setting out their own concern's over the way lifelong bans are issued with apparent impunity by the BKSA with no warning or right of appeal to those that make safety suggestion's at locations such as Lancing where there have been large numbers of fatal/near fatal accidents.

We are also anxiously awaiting the clear rules that it was agreed needed to be put in place to deal with kite/dinghy interaction on the water 2 years ago.

That is why in a report that was prepared by a top expert from the RYA concluded the club is deliberatly ignoring the safety advice issued by the sports governing body and is now considered too dangerous to be used as an RYA youth venue. It probably explains why since Steve and his partner stopped supporting the clubs youth programme arranging travel/boat transport/accommodation/training at huge expenses to themselves with no thanks from the club no youths from that club have attended any RYA zone/regional/national level events.

And at the risk of being censored or having my posts edited so they do not convey my legitimate opinion by the thought police/Mein Furher Toby (or worse given the history of assaults by kite surfers I have witnessed myself at that location!!!!) myself here is the safety assessment that Toby does not want you to see all of which is demonstrably true and can be backed up with facts unlike the wild claims and mindless abuse that has been issued here which has been noted by the authorities at the locations with a low safety score and will only hasten the implementation of the controls that are so obviously needed at those locations.
Please provide the factual evidence of the large number of fatal/near fatal accidents.

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Re: Most Dangerous and aggresive locations in the SE UK

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Re: Most Dangerous and aggresive locations in the SE UK

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Re: Most Dangerous and aggresive locations in the SE UK

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Re: Most Dangerous and aggresive locations in the SE UK

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