Moses 2018

[Foil]

The 633 is my favourite strapless freeride wing at the moment. It makes all manoeuvres super easy. If you want to learn to tack and gybe this is the wing for that.

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Gunnar

I have it now, very easy to ride wing but i think is less roll stable then the fluente, very good for waveriding, so not so easy to change feet around. Also i think its not possible to mount this on a moses T40 or T60 board it will be too much forward. Anyone tried to mount on a moses board? and ride it with straps?

Yes! I have it fitted to my T60 carbon board on a Moses 2018 101cm mast, and have sailed it on the stock Onga 61cm mast, footstraps are fastened to the most forward setting, the rear strap I never use apart from as a handle to steady the board, but I have to place my rear foot furter up towards the front for correct and equal pressure, it took a few long runs to get used to the new closer stance but I have found this new stance very comfortable.

[grigorib]

What is the board in the picture?

Groove Skate

Thanks!
It's a nice board.

it appears it's longer and wider than Dwarfcraft 3'6". Better nose scoop and lighter, though more expensive too,

[airsurfer]

633 works great on short boards IMO. I have mine on Levitaz Exo and Temavento Sync both around 125cm no issues with or without straps. super stable foil. BTW I think the 633 deserves it's own thread .

[grigorib]

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super stable foil. BTW I think the 633 deserves it's own thread

I don’t think it’s the 633 alone, it’s while class of large area, low AR freeride foil wings.
When I got the Ghost Whisper a year ago, I was quite unhappy that all of the early start, low stall speed and lowend speed potential of my old MHL has vanished. Most of comments on the forum were “sure you can go slow even on race wings, just forget your ‘beginner’ wing and practice, and lose weight”

No! Not same slow, as all who tried the 633 can tell, right?

Give race foils to racers and freeride foils to freeriders.
These two classes don’t mix. They don’t even overlap, neither in kites, nor in boards, nor in foil wings.

This class separation is beautiful.

[Pedro Marcos]

For me the 633 is way too slow and draggy to be my "all around" hidrofoil. Yes it is fun in waves and when the conditions do not allow to go much faster anyway (very choppy conditions etc), but in my opinion people that limit themselfes to this combo are missing a big part of the "fun" in the hidrofoil world. I do understand how nice it can be to beginners/new intermediates as it completly reduces your "stalls" to zero or near that.

[Peter_Frank]

For me the 633 is way too slow and draggy to be my "all around" hidrofoil. Yes it is fun in waves and when the conditions do not allow to go much faster anyway (very choppy conditions etc), but in my opinion people that limit themselfes to this combo are missing a big part of the "fun" in the hidrofoil world. I do understand how nice it can be to beginners/new intermediates as it completly reduces your "stalls" to zero or near that.

My words exactly Pedro, with these sizes (not aiming specifically at this wing) in general, I also find they get very boring even from over 800 cm2

And I am a rider that dont like speed at all, only fun and sometimes waves - but still find the big wings very limited fun, eventhough they DO have their place in marginal winds (the high AR ones), and in waves when low winds (the low AR ones).

For overall use I dont like these huge sizes at all, and the major part of effortless gliding along with nothing holding you back, gets lost.
Difficult to put in words, this difference/feeling

Apparently just different likings, and I might be spoiled from having flown so many performance gliders, eventhough my "way of riding" could have been the aim for these extremely big wings - but they dont work for me...

It seems to be the general trend though, huge wings, so lets see over time how it goes.

PF

[airsurfer]

exactly that's what nice about Moses wing options. I still like the 550 wing a lot but in reality as big as the 633 is it's not slow or draggy IMO unless comparing to race wings. If riding flat water only I might agree that you could get bored with it but in the ocean the effective speeds of the 633 is close to the other Moses free ride wings. This wing can still achieve 40kph which is not so slow even for most foils and the glide is still very good. this isn't like some surf foils that top out at 25kph

[Pedro Marcos]

exactly that's what nice about Moses wing options. I still like the 550 wing a lot but in reality as big as the 633 is it's not slow or draggy IMO unless comparing to race wings. If riding flat water only I might agree that you could get bored with it but in the ocean the effective speeds of the 633 is close to the other Moses free ride wings. This wing can still achieve 40kph which is not so slow even for most foils and the glide is still very good. this isn't like some surf foils that top out at 25kph

I dont agree that the 633 is anywhere close the 550 or any other moses freeride wing, in terms of aceleration its like comparing a fiat punto with a ferrari. The 633 at 40kph feels sooo heavy under you and seems its going to explode, where the 550 feels light and performing.

[gmb13]

exactly that's what nice about Moses wing options. I still like the 550 wing a lot but in reality as big as the 633 is it's not slow or draggy IMO unless comparing to race wings. If riding flat water only I might agree that you could get bored with it but in the ocean the effective speeds of the 633 is close to the other Moses free ride wings. This wing can still achieve 40kph which is not so slow even for most foils and the glide is still very good. this isn't like some surf foils that top out at 25kph

I dont agree that the 633 is anywhere close the 550 or any other moses freeride wing, in terms of aceleration its like comparing a fiat punto with a ferrari. The 633 at 40kph feels sooo heavy under you and seems its going to explode, where the 550 feels light and performing.

To each their own. Having said that. It is by far the best wing for people to progress on. Even good riders will find it easier to learn new things on the 633. I have learned a lot of new things since I started riding the 633. Most people will never be able to foiling tack on a smaller wings, whereas on the 633 they can easily learn it. Another thing I have to say is, it needs to be mounted quite far back towards the tail of the board. about 15-18cm from the tail to the screws. If you are riding it in the same place as the 590 or 550, then you are not getting the most out of the wing.

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Gunnar

[Pedro Marcos]

exactly that's what nice about Moses wing options. I still like the 550 wing a lot but in reality as big as the 633 is it's not slow or draggy IMO unless comparing to race wings. If riding flat water only I might agree that you could get bored with it but in the ocean the effective speeds of the 633 is close to the other Moses free ride wings. This wing can still achieve 40kph which is not so slow even for most foils and the glide is still very good. this isn't like some surf foils that top out at 25kph

I dont agree that the 633 is anywhere close the 550 or any other moses freeride wing, in terms of aceleration its like comparing a fiat punto with a ferrari. The 633 at 40kph feels sooo heavy under you and seems its going to explode, where the 550 feels light and performing.

To each their own. Having said that. It is by far the best wing for people to progress on. Even good riders will find it easier to learn new things on the 633. I have learned a lot of new things since I started riding the 633. Most people will never be able to foiling tack on a smaller wings, whereas on the 633 they can easily learn it. Another thing I have to say is, it needs to be mounted quite far back towards the tail of the board. about 15-18cm from the tail to the screws. If you are riding it in the same place as the 590 or 550, then you are not getting the most out of the wing.

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Gunnar

Meaning you hardly can ride with it with straps on a Moses t40 or t60 board, like i said before. Ive used it all far back on a board with tracks. Regarding the Foiling tack, its just so different, im able to do foil tacks in race wings and had to "re-learn" it to be able to do on the 633, the foot switch at such low speed its quite tricky and this wing its quite roll nervous, if you are talking about the 180 tack to toeside then yes, way much easier.

Also the new 2018 race wing need to be mounted way more back then the "old" one, so it might also feel very weird on a T60 board even with the straps on the most forward position.