no pulleys.....excellent!!!!

thats the same thought I had when I read the specs for the extacy.


and I am looking forward to flying one soon
NPR

The difference between flysurfer kites and PL / tube kites is to my opinion very big. It's 2 different style of riding. Flysurfer riding is a lot about park and ride, PL and tube kites is more about working the kite to get the power and less park and ride style... both fs and PL beats the tubes on windrange, ease of use, self land and launch, gust absorption and stability but tubes are still a little bit faster and quicker in turns (quite logic with the rigid stucture of the tubes)
most exciting R&D is in fs foils and PL arcs...

okidok, that's how it is

You are right on. Speed is the key to light wind riding. That's why I'm also looking for maximum lift/drag (power) per sqm. That's why the Blade has caught my interest, but I'll wait and see what the new Flexifoil foil (Sabre?) will be like. The FS Speed could also be interesting, but will it really be mass produced?

The problem with PL is that the arc shape gives a small projected area. Therefore, I don't think it could ever give a good lift/drag per sqm.

/Daniel

PS. My one and only kite is a Psycho 12.5 (not counting an old Mosquito). Great kite with impressive range!

So much for a discussion about the ecstasy, eh?
Sven - how would you compare the turning speed of the XTC to
the psycho 2? I'm looking for a little more turning speed. I never really liked the whole WAC system especially since FS could not really explain it to begin with. With the XTC having 21M lines it sounds like a good kite in the waves The P2 kites seem to turn pretty quick in bigger sizes. The
voodoo was fast in small sizes and slow in big sizes.

Yepp, the Flysurfer Speed *will* be massproduced and sold together with the other FS kites through the usual retail-channels. A guess is that they will hit the stores in jan/feb.

Agree, MULTI-WAC is the technical one, but the WAC that started with PS 1 gave us a combination of AOA and camber power control and I thought it was explained pretty well. (and really only a very simple WAC knot adjustment)

XTC is still 3 line with AOA power control or WAC, is it not?

The difference I thought was that MULTI-WAC is omitted and somehow FS figured out how to WAC without pulleys.

For my Spirit 14, if in doubt, all I have to do is use the recommended center WAC and center Break for factory settings. Although it's amazing how different the tunings can be when quickly and easily adjusting only 2 knots.

The Extacy is a very fast flying kite and in my book benifits from a fast board.
The turning circle is tighter than on the Psycho2 which is mainly down to the lower aspect ratio and a different profile. But it also keeps pulling all the way through the turn and doesn't have the tendancy to stall 3/4 round a kiteloop.

If you want the Psycho2 to turn a little rounder with less backstall then take out the C8 lines, like we suggested on the 21m and 26m Psycho2.
We all agree now that this benefits the sizes 17m, 13m 10m and 7m too.
It also gives the rider more bar feedback. The removall of the C8-lines makes the profile of the wingtips a little flatter and increases the speed at which the wingtips can fly. This results ina faster turning speed.
We also suggest to then move it one knot towards WAC+.

Flysurfer has developed a new center flying line for the Extacy. It is super tuff and will soon be available as an upgrade for all Flysurfer users for a minimal charge.
After a season of hard flying it is advisable to replace the center line and this new line is awesome.
This new line has already been supplied with some Psycho2s and it has nearly no stretch which really helpes to ride unhooked with the Psycho2s.
The standard center line could stretch a little under tension which means that the kite powers up under pressure and when you ride unhooked you can't compensate for this by depowering a little more. Its only a matter of a few centimeters but enough to be noticable.

I don't think the WAC system is problem at all as the Psycho2 worked perfect on the factory setting. If people wanted to experiment then they could and he kite to their liking.
On the Voodoos and Spirits we found that WAC- and maybe a little Tip-Brake worked best in most conditions and WAC+ and a little Full-Brake was the choice in strong gusty winds. Its so easy to change that if someone doesn't like a setting they can change it back in no time.

The Extacy can be trimmed too but it won't be as straight forward as on the other Flysurfer kites. Again its fine out of the bag and people have less to worry about.

One point on kite construction that has never ben discussed is how pl and fs kites are sown,,,,,

Fs kites are sown on the inside and you can not see any stiching on the outside it provides a slightly smoother airflow, but is not as good at transfering load across the seam...

Pl kites are sewn flat and tapped... the seams transfer load across the skin better and believe it or not are stronger than the inside seam of fs, the down side is that there is a slight bit more turbulance on the seams.....

however, after using both kite extensivly , i would say the pl respond better and more positively in turns than a fs and a fs relaunches better.... but the bridels are a paina nd do wear....

As for the phantoms not relaunching......Sven they were not desgined for low down grunt, as they were desgined for the land, i spoke to pl about this years ago, and the p12 i reckon stops at about 35 knots for me which is an incredible wind range and has not back stall at all. The equivalent fs p2 10 meter i could not take up to 35 knots, i go to over powered on it, but it is desgined as a water kite and the phantom is not.......You can use it on water, but, it does not have the grunt that is need e fo rwater, on land the phantom rocks and is imho a better kite for the land than the fs, however,,, horses for courses...but come on sven do you use pl kite at all??? i use and teach on both types of kites and imo the phantom is the best responding smoothest foil kite ive flown........on land.....and water....but it dont relaunch as well as a flysurfer.....thats why its only meant for experts....on water... however on land it relaunchees easily..... infact i have never crashed the thing.......it is also more stable than a fs....the voodoo is a stable kite and i was impresssed compared to the old maniac but it aiont arc stablity....

Excellent!

Would be great to get some more details from you FS guys (or anyone else). Any hands-on in Tarifa?

Which of the usual FS buzz words will apply to Speed? Jet-flaps? WAC? Depower? Pulleys? Water relaunch?

/Daniel