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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:44 pm 
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GraemeF wrote:
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Well if you ever need to consult with an Australian Accounting Firm speak to me! We specialise in restructuring Business Structures


More from Best Kiteboarding forum, I wonder why they'd need to re-structure. :wink:


Hmm maybe you should stick to your own industry GraemeF....and do something your good at...because restructureing is for someone who is smart....and not dumb! and if you think people who restructure or want to restructure have problems you are so wrong, you have to be kicked in the head...look at BHP ltd one of the biggest mining companies in the world....hmm why do they have like over 100 companies under them all structured together....for effective Tax planning, everyone smart at business would be wrong to you if you think this! we specialise in this because we are experts that have made 'legal' arrangements where people can sell huge property and in a tax effective way where they have written off the entire profit....trust me you won't find many people who can do that....and if you think that you wouldn't take something like that up, you'd be stupid......

and it was an offer....Who said they ever wanted to restructure....no one.....its like us advertising in the paper...you would say..."Oh my GOD! the who country is dodgy because they are thinking about restructuring....what are they up to?"

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So i got my Yarga out on the water and was trying some new tricks, and of course missed the handle again and the kite wet to the ground....but as the kite was sitting on the water top the shape seemed odd....the kite seem not to keep its shape too well....like when it sat on its back it would do a W shape


It looked weirde....yes but launched easier than anyother kite out there! plus never lost any pressure......or purformance! Next time i put more pressure in and had no problem so it was more my fault than anything! Don't take a half a story to use it against people who don't deserve it buddy.

Well I will continue riding my Yarag...best kite every and it kicks the ass end out of all the other brands! I have been pulling off better tricks, more frequently, going harder, trying more since my Yarga and if a kite that makes me do this with the quality they have I will continue to use them....

Besides, people who get very offended about when someone sticks up for a company and start pulling old quotes from other forums.....just has to make you think why would people go to such great great trouble and time looking for all of that information....

Like I said the people who are putting Best down seem to have some sort of motive to put them down....like the benefit for doing so....and then post pictures of other Kite Teams...strange huh?

I live for Kiting.....so if the kites work better ill use them, if you hate Best that much for the reasons that you do, why put them out there like you do?


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haha,

yeah well my motive isn't for me to gain in anyways, and i'm not affiliated in anyway where seeing them succeed would ensure my gain in the future in anyways.

But, i'm in the business where businesses come to me, and also in business myself....and there are always people out there reasdy to listen and bag someone out, before seeing the full picture.

I tell you the one lot of business that are targeted the most to be scrutinized by other competitors are when someone with a 'better' product hits the market, or someone with the 'same' quality or just as good a product hit the market and their costs are so much cheaper...because this is really going to effect their turnover, and profits.

But the facts are there, if they "knew" that the quality wasn't there and that they would not perform as good as their products then they woudl have nothing to worry about....the fact is they DO worry!

thats all.

I don't even need to back anything else up....the fact that competition hates them says it all


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Daveo wrote:
... we are experts that have made 'legal' arrangements where people can sell huge property and in a tax effective way where they have written off the entire profit....trust me you won't find many people who can do that....


Tell us about it dude! We haven't been able to find vietkiter and gumball since they got scared off by the sound of popping hellfsh :D Good thing you're here now.

Why did it take so long for Best to send kiteforum a replacement smart business guy? Have Best got problems with a rogue Chinese human resources manager now?

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I tell you the one lot of business that are targeted the most to be scrutinized by other competitors are when someone with a 'better' product hits the market, or someone with the 'same' quality or just as good a product hit the market and their costs are so much cheaper...because this is really going to effect their turnover, and profits.


Well, that argument is about a year out of date... yep, finger on the pulse :lick:

* Hellfish has spoken for itself on quality (& innovation)
* The 'better' stuff from the competitors has already hit the market. Best have yet to offer pre-sales on their :hah: cgi cuben fibre bladderless bow << yeah that will sell :lol:
* At least they still got the Yarga. Pity gumball bashed it himself by telling us it was an obsolete kite - no, an obsolete commodity - best flogged off in volume at the cheapest price to increase his turnover & profits >> "kites are just kites"

Man, you business guys suck at kiteboarding, talking about turnover & profits instead of in turn speed & boost :-?


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Daveo:

Sq did it because he was working / paid by Best

You do it for free ???

Good luck dude !!!!!

see ya in the water :D


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Alright,

But i don't fight for Best....I like the product, and if i'm not one to follow the flow....well all is good then.

If I ever come to Spain panchito, maybe i'll see you on the water.

PS: Stoner whats your problem buddy...don't have anything on any pulse..keep your perverted mind in your pants buddy.

Cheers!


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 Post subject: Re: smells suspiciously like a Best forum professional
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:41 pm 
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Dax wrote:
...What's this the 05 Yarga failed? That's bullshit, the 05 Yarga is an awesome kite, a good step up from last year's Yarga. I think its the best 5th line based kite out there, and I have tried Naish, North, and Wipika....


Excuse me Dax, but the Yarga 05 is best kite out there and you have only tried three brands or kites? I am sure there are some more. Your claim and limited experience with others kind of makes you biased. I'd say try others like GK, Caution, OR, Monkey, etc. I guarantee you that you'll be surprised and quite possibly change your believe that the Y05 is awesome.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:44 pm 
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kitesurf66 wrote:
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...What's this the 05 Yarga failed? That's bullshit, the 05 Yarga is an awesome kite, a good step up from last year's Yarga. I think its the best 5th line based kite out there, and I have tried Naish, North, and Wipika....


Excuse me Dax, but the Yarga 05 is best kite out there and you have only tried three brands or kites? I am sure there are some more. Your claim and limited experience with others kind of makes you biased. I'd say try others like GK, Caution, OR, Monkey, etc. I guarantee you that you'll be surprised and quite possibly change your believe that the Y05 is awesome.

K66


Excuse me dude, I was referring to 5th line flying kites. EH was saying the Yarga 05 was a failure, and I say that's bullshit. Here is the list of all the kites I have tried this year:

Cabrinha Crossbow (many times)
Cabrinha Nitro
North Vegas (05)
Naish Raven
Naish Torch (few times)
Naish Boxer
Slingshot Fuel (many times)
Wipika Indy
Windwing Rage II

Sorry can't try them all... and it relates to my opinion only. For different styles and tastes, the Yarga is probably not the kite to have. For me, I love it.

Reality is, these days most kites are very similar (except the bow's are very different from standard kites.) People shouldn't obsess about gear so much, and focus more on their riding. :thumb:


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 Post subject: Re: smells suspiciously like a Best forum professional
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:40 pm 
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Dax wrote:
Excuse me dude, I was referring to 5th line flying kites. EH was saying the Yarga 05 was a failure, and I say that's bullshit.


That's cool. I did not know that EH was posting any opinions, which in itself makes it interesting to read now. Now, again almost all kites have 5th lines, so maybe I missed that in your previous comment or forgot to add it in my previous post.

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...Sorry can't try them all... and it relates to my opinion only. For different styles and tastes, the Yarga is probably not the kite to have. For me, I love it.


It is perfectly understandable. I did not think it was for me and some of my friends felt the same way, but I could never say that is sucks. I did not like it and that is all, just an opinion, nothing more nothing less.

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Reality is, these days most kites are very similar (except the bow's are very different from standard kites.) People shouldn't obsess about gear so much, and focus more on their riding. :thumb:


Agreed! However, I do believe that there are many options, and good options at that.
No kite is the best, including my favorite Caution 16. The best kite is the one that works for you and the one you can afford. Anything else is just marketing BS.

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