Some will not release reliably from ANYthing (even a big, thick ring) under load. The 2673* pictured below has been reported to stick on some tubing-covered loops, & also on some o-rings, but not on a plain line loop (which is what I've been using for quite a while."Mr Jo Macdonald" wrote:
I got the impression that some people were saying no shackles release reliably unless you hook them to a steel ring while others were saying the Wichard 2673 works fine with a plastic coated chicken loop or plain rope loop.
Pretty much, but it's the PIVOT being at the side which hinders release under load (ALL shackles RELEASE from the side, even if the trigger is centered).As far as I could gather the general consensous of opinion was that the side release snap shackle (below) only releases reliably from a metal ring and then probably after applying a lot of force to release it
Yes, as long as there's no TUBE on the loop.So, does the Wichard 2673 release reliably from a chicken loop?
Not "maybe", DEFINITELY not enough weight. Consider this: While riding fully powered with the kite & your butt both nearly skimming the surface, & the board railed over very hard, the lines are nearly touching the toe side of your board, nearly parallel to your legs, which feel about ready to collapse under the load. That load must be around 4 times your body weight, because each leg can support twice your weight, since you can walk carrying a person of equal weight. Nothing usually breaks when you're riding like this, but stuff DOES break when you get slammed & dragged hard by an out-of-control kite. That means there can likely be more than FOUR TIMES YOUR BODY WEIGHT on the shackle, when you need it to release.I have tested a Wichard 2673 on a chicken loop under my body weight (maybe not enough) and it releases every time easy.
That's right. I was the one reporting that a local rider told me his 2673 caught on the very same ring which released reliably from his side pivot shackle. Somebody else reported on the Yahoo group that a ring had caught on a Wichard Trigger Snap Shackle as shown below.Some shackles might be dangerous with steel rings, I thought someone said even the Wichard 2673 can catch on a steel ring but this trigger shackle below has a bloody big hook on the end when it's open, just waiting for a metal ring.
Absolutely, but you need to test it with no load, & 4 times your weight, & a few in-between loads, AND try to MAKE it stick, in order to be fairly certain that it will release when you need it to.Obviously the most important thing of all is to test your own particular settup and make sure it releases reliably.
Are you 100% sure that the 2673 is not angled slightly, because it touches your harness hook, or something ?Anonymous wrote:I've been fiddling around with my 2673.
I have actually found it to catch on a steel ring. But not catch the way I think most people are referring to.
I can have all my body weight on it, pull the trigger and NOTHING happens. The shackle does not even open. No movement, nothing. Putting more or less body weight has no effect. This is pretty much a brand new shackle. I think you need to make sure that the thickness of the steel ring is wide enough that it does not sit right up in the hinge of the tip pivot. Mine is a pretty standard steel ring though. It kind of freaks me out. Happens every tenth time or so.
Anybody experienced this? Is this what some people are referring to when they say that plastic loops or rings sometimes don't work?
Hi Peter and Mel,Peter_Frank wrote: Are you 100% sure that the 2673 is not angled slightly, because it touches your harness hook, or something ?
Because if this is the case, the ring might stick on the non-pivot side of the schackle, so it won't open !
And does it move freely - the tip pivot ?
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