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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2002 11:45 pm 
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Two steps to 'total safety' for Chickenloop riders prefering the 'always connected style':
<font color = red><b>1. Getting Rid of your Chickenloop (used several times):</b></font>

I mounted (welding cost me 10Euro in Munich) a snap shackle on the Hook. The chickenloop is connected via steel ring to the snap shackle/trigger snap and can be released with no ease. Kite flies away -> for safety line please refer to #2.
It looks almost like the product of solidkiteboard.com (but read point #2 before you ask me why I'm not using the solidkiteboard.com solution):
</br><img src="http://www.solidkiteboards.com/prodimag/hookb.jpg" align="left"></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br>
<font color = red><b>2. Getting Rid of your Harness/ safety line (luckily not needed so far but it feels better):</b></font>

I would suggest using a standard harness hook featuring a quick release. I'm using the Pro_limit hook on a waist harness and if you want to ged rid of your harness (incl. the safety line attached to the ring on the rotating swivel hook, see picture of #1), just pull the fabric strap the harness is flying away. Underneath the fabric strap is a metal pin which releases the hook from the right part of the harness. It cannot really be seen on the picture, because its unter the fabric, but it gives an idea:
</br><font color = blue><b><a href="http://www.pro-limit.nl/2002/displayitem.php3?item_id=235" target="_new"> PRO LIMIT Swivel Hook</a></b></font>
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PS: the harness never openend by accident so far (my old NorthSails harness did that)

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Webwart

PS für Markus Grebenstein: Sorry, Deine Ueberschrift lud einfach dazu ein, eine
Steigerung zu formulieren, ich finde Deine Lösung aber auch super :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2002 12:54 am 
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..an unregistered user made a comment on my solution in the topic <font color = blue><b><a href="http://www.kiteforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=1265&forum=1&start=15" target="_new"> good quick release solution</a></b></font> before I moved it to this (new) topic:

According to Wichard.fr, their <font color = blue><b><a href="http://www.wichard.com/catalogue/catalogue_en.php?FAMILLE=8.0&SSFAMILLE1=7.0&SSFAMILLE2=2.0&SSFAMILLE3=0&REFERENCE=82475" target="_new"> Wichard Snap Shackle </a></b></font> is able to handle in their tests tractions of 1200-3500 kg with full release functionality.

In case you want it fierce you should use the <font color = blue><b><a href="http://www.wichard.com/catalogue/catalogue_en.php?FAMILLE=8.0&SSFAMILLE1=9.0&SSFAMILLE2=1.0&SSFAMILLE3=0" target="_new"> Wichard Trigger Snap</a></b></font> which is able to handle between 1800-5200kg. To release extreme loads on the trigger snap you additionally can use the 'wichard release fid' (no picture).

But please keep in mind that the two lines between chickenloop and kite will rip if they get more than 500kg of traction <font color = blue><b><a href="http://www.betech.de/produkte/produkte_dt_gemkiteleinentsl.htm#tsl" target="_new"> (Bruchlast eff. ca. 250kg per line)
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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Webwart on 2002-06-14 02:04 ]</font>


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2002 6:56 pm 
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when working with these materials, don't rely on what the manufactor's telling about the load it can take - i mean:
don't use any stuff that takes a load of 100kg before breaking to use it as some kind of 'fuse'
-> if they say it takes 100kg, they mean, yuo could hang a 100kg weight at it for years and it won't break.
but it ususally handles 4-500kg easily ...

(i nearly fittet a shakle that was made for 50kg as a safety for my boardleash - with the thought that if tension gets too big, the shakle will break)


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2002 10:25 am 
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Hi webwart,

i didn't post my Quickrelease It was toby :wink: I just called it "my solution", when i posted it in kitesurfing-kiel.

I also thought about your solution. But i like mine because of the very, very small length. I'm not to tall so my arms are short :wink: and i use a seat- harness.

Greetz,

Louis (Markus Grebenstein)


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