BWD:BWD wrote:Hel -just don't go there!
Most of these problems disappear if you don't go to some hel-hole with 50x the fun and safe number of riders.
But the pictures and rules look good mostly.
It is obvious common sense to avoid sailboats and motorboats, but it's better not to make a "rule" that kiters give way to them.
This is opposite to colregs and sailing racing regs so just don't do it.
You especially don't want to put up signs showing kiters getting out of the way of boats, when the problem is, sometimes we are not able to get out of the way even if we try.
As for tricks, the same traffic rules apply, unless you have a contest or something where you can set up a tricks-only area.
For surfing, again the key is to find space.
If it's too crowded, waves are not going to be fun or safe, no matter what the rules are.
By the way, Richard although your post is way too long and I couldn't read it all,
I better point out I think you are dead wrong about port and starboard.
Every other water user follows the same colregs/rules of the road, and kiters better do it too,
or we will always lose out and be fighting boats and windsurfers
(from shore, after we get banned).
Rules without enforcement simply serve to establish a convention of behavior to help people work things out cooperatively. The person not following the convention of behavior is the one creating trouble and getting into trouble, not the other way around. The inflated ego and "me first" attitude is the problem, not the false sense of security. All of us are alert on the water and watching out for the lame-brain or some other unexpected event.kitezilla wrote:Good point!
The case one could make in favor of the detractors of establishing rules, is this: By "establishing" rules, in situations where you have a preponderance of very independent thinking individuals, who are more likely to behave according to their own beliefs, a more dangerous situation is created, because of the fact that the individuals, who try to follow the rules, will be deluded into believing that all the participants are following these rules, and therefore, the false sense of security of the "rule-followers" will get them into trouble.
for me this BraCuru comic picture style simple rules are the best, because they are simple enough and graphic. i didn't notice your proposal of the rules besides of "general rules of courtesy", which is too stretchy.Satan wrote:...The main idea needs to be changed from "right of way" to "general rules of curtsey". No right of way rules are ever going to prevent collisions between kitesurfers, but we can draft some guidelines that help people understand the dynamics of kitesurfing traffic. We're kitesurfers. It's about peace, freedom and understanding not about erecting some fascist state where no one has any fun.
Windrider wrote:I think the picture is simply stating that the person approaching another person on a wave should "give way".... not that they should go down wind... simply that they should do the work to avoid the person on the wave.Toby wrote:partly right, Satan.
If there is a specific perfect flat water jump area, way should be give to the one who loads up for jumping there, I agree.
But in normal riding areas, where you just ride to go upwind, starboard makes sense to make sure it does not become a mess.
And please, show a bit more respect towards other people who put a lot of work into this when choosing your words.
I would also like to discuss this picture:
Looking at the wind, I would assume the kiter in the wave will ride the wave and ride further downwind, so it does not make sense that the red kiter goes downwind of the wave kiter!
Just make the red kiter jibe away from the wave kiter at all, but the downwind should be given to the wave kiter.
Otherwise, great work!
Perhaps a similar picture with a person in the air after a jump instead of on a wave would be a good idea? The trouble with the notion that a person in the air has "right of way" gives butt-heads the opportunity to try to create a right-of way simply by jumping. "I was in the air so I had right-of-way!!" Obviously, that won't work because the friggin' "Take as much as I can get" mindset people will try to capitalize on it and take advantage of it... because they can.