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 Post subject: Re: Naish Torch 2007,2008,2009 maybe 2010 have defect in manufa
PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:55 pm 
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Its happaned to me on my 12m 08 Torch also, 4 times each time in other place!!!
Its a shame that Naish havn't fix the problem since the 07 Torch's.
I can't understand people who keep buying Naish after its happened to them. I lost so much days because of this problem.
I haven't got a new kite because it happend this year, I got a good deal on a new 09 Torch and I sold it as new, cause I couldn't see my self using the Torch's any more (even though I liked the kite feeling)


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 Post subject: Re: Naish Torch 2007,2008,2009 maybe 2010 have defect in manufa
PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:32 pm 
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I have 2007 and 2008 Torches. I have smashed the absolute crap out of them, I ride unhooked suicide alot, I'm not very good so regulary crash them/twist them.

The only problem I had was with the 12M which blew its leading edge after I bow tied it and had it pumped up rock hard - but I have had this happen on other kites so can't say it's a Naish problem :-? I now only pump up ti 5/6 psi instead of the 8/9 psi I used to.

I regulary check my kites and yes I do find bits of stitching here and there that need attention but I also understand that due to the way I treat them this is to be expected, if you don't check you kites, whether they are Naish or any other brand then maybe I say you should expect problems....especially with Torches as they are generally ridden by more advanced riders who put there kites through alot more stress than a freeride kiter

Personally, I'd recommend Naish all day long :thumb: But thats just me

Jay


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 Post subject: Re: Naish Torch 2007,2008,2009 maybe 2010 have defect in manufa
PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:34 pm 
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I have not heard of this before...(having seen torches go through pretty extreme incidents with no problem), but if they warranty your kites, what is the problem? To what extent a warranty is admitting fault or they just want to keep you as a customer, I don't know, but the only thing I can think of can cause something like that would be:

A lot of kites LE blow up...sometimes it happens. But here it happens to the same person.

Like PAFF, look at the spot it happens. No seams, nothing, and since Naish only uses premium materials which are also used by more companies...it can't be the materials. Thus it is not manufactoring. Right?

Could it be from either a part of the kite that bends due to underinflation (the LE on the torch is thin so it needs to be pumped up hard), or due to the spot where you launch...maybe a lot of rocks at the spot? I mean I don't know just trying to suggest things...

Anyways, when I tested the 2010 kites they did say something about upping the construction / build...maybe this was what they were talking about? I dunno tho. To me what is important is that the company supports its products...and it seems like this is happening here.


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 Post subject: Re: Naish Torch 2007,2008,2009 maybe 2010 have defect in manufa
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:17 am 
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storm hider wrote:
can some translate all this bollocks for me


Broken Kite... Tears (as in crying)... Everyone is out to get me... Please send me a new kite !!!


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 Post subject: Re: Naish Torch 2007,2008,2009 maybe 2010 have defect in manufa
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 4:40 am 
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Speak of the bloody devil.. the le on my 12 blew today... in exactly the same section a little above the other repair.. sigh. Taut i believe its not a manufacturing issue, rather one of design.

Sincerly hope its been corrected on the 2010s, they look damn sexy and i am still yet to fly a kite i like more then my torches.


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 Post subject: Re: Naish Torch 2007,2008,2009 maybe 2010 have defect in manufa
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:01 pm 
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The 2008 i had 1 strut blown -> this was caused by the plastic strut zipper which was to weak to hold the pressure. This is no wonder, because i crash a lot when trying new stuff.

Since 2009 haven't got any problems with Naish Torches ( they imporved the construction -> strut zippers). 2010 seems even more solid when talking about construction.

One of the common problems i have seen is when launching the kite from the beach people helping to launch or take down your (C) kite tend to twist the corners of the leading edge (so it gets like 90 degrees and pops) leaving you with a LE blown kite. Seen this happen many times over my kiting years.

I don't really believe that any kite LE blows just out of nothing. There is always something that has been done wrong (too much or less pressure in the kite, rocks -> sharp object on the ground, etc ).

When this guy has managed to blow up so many kites, i think the problem is somewhere between the board and the bar.


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 Post subject: Re: Naish Torch 2007,2008,2009 maybe 2010 have defect in manufa
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:19 pm 
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guys we are talking about kites that are now nearly 4years old, kites do get used and crashed pretty damn hard and no they are not going to last forever, i geuss if your kites have blown out and they have been replaced then the dealer has done their bit to help you.

what i dont get is that you are saying the 08s have blown out as well after only 60 or something days, if that is the case and they were replacements for 07 kites that puts this whole thing back to maybe the beginning of 2008, so what has been going on since then with your kites. the time line just seems funny on this, why bring it up now, why not talk to the dealer/importer.


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 Post subject: Re: Naish Torch 2007,2008,2009 maybe 2010 have defect in manufa
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:15 pm 
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Is it serious enough to stay away? I am about to buy a lsightly used Torch 2009


No. We are a bunch of people up north that ride the Torches a lot and some people have been riding them all the way from when the T1 was released. I currently have a Torch 12 2009 and a Torch 7 2007. The only blowouts I have seen among my fellow riders have been caused by seashell cuts on the beach. If the same guy has same problems year after year, maybe the failure root cause is to be found on the user side?


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 Post subject: Re: Naish Torch 2007,2008,2009 maybe 2010 have defect in manufa
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:50 pm 
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pimps will say it's you
you'll never see naish admitting to a fault (or almost any other windsports company )
I rode them for years until they sold a bunch of (KNOWN) bent kites (pulled so hard you couldn't control them) they had the # but wouldn't post them
refunded only the complainers and never said a word to the public

but no public presence to hear it ,
other than the pimps who are getting a bro deal or better
is really fuked up for these days
kinda the same as the turdo diesel if you couldn't fly it ,you are an idiot !!
nothing new about this profile in the windsports business.

I was thinking my old waroos were a cheap build when around the steering strut on several 7.0"s the leading edge would split or the threads would come loose
but those pics make the roosters look pretty good

ditch em and go with a company that has an online presence to take the heat


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 Post subject: Re: Naish Torch 2007,2008,2009 maybe 2010 have defect in manufa
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:59 pm 
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For the record I ride alot of different brand kites but this is definitely a design fault as I have seen it happen to many times.I like Naish and their kites and I have seen alot of people have their kites replaced under warranty with this problem.

It also could be the shape of the kite and alot of pressure on the leading edge causing this as the materials they use are top notch.Maybe they need a little extra reinforcement on the leading edge where the stress points are.

Naish really need to address this problem otherwise the best C kite on the market could become the worst.


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