Good catch on comparing 3-4 year old Speed 2's to current kites. The only problem is I was comparing at that time FS S2's to the current year Cabrinha Switchblades which I think were the SB3's. Obviously both and all companies have evolved since then.Ventman wrote:Seriously.
I just read thru this thread, and the LEI faction is comparing new LEI kites to 3 year old Flysurfer designs. THe Speed 2 had stability issues, but things have moved on since then. The FS kites I have flown recently are just as stable as any modern LEI I have. So if you compare just be fair.
One could also look at the 2007 and 2008 North Rebels and "Judge" all LEI Kites to be unstable in High Winds. Then there are 2006 Waroos which would fold under certain conditions.
No System is perfect, but the Foil kites are not as bad as PMU or the others are saying. I think they should try some of the newer models and then rewrite their theories.
I would tend to agree that some LEIs have the edge in higher winds, but I have also seen that the modern foils can handle the conditions just as well and are not as unstable as most of the LEI faktion here are saying.
Never had a tube kite invert...I must be flying the good ones!Kamikuza wrote:And yet ... LEIs still deform and invert, despite the rigid frame.
Have you actually flown the latest greatest PL? You can't fly them like an LEI but I think they'll surprise you in the speed and agility stakes ...Oldnbroken wrote:Peter Lynn, Flysurfer, HQ, etc, etc..... even in their latest greatest versions, just don't fly and turn with the speed and agility of the best LEI kites today.
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If you wanna surf with the best of them, you are on an LEI.
If you're gonna compete at top level freestyle, you will be on an LEI.
If you wanna go to San Francisco Bay and be competitive at the race series, you are on an LEI.
If you wanna break the world speed record, you are on an LEI.
If you wanna ride in the very lightest of winds, ....get a giant Flysurfer.
Peter Lynn kites are great if you gotta have a kite that stays at zenith if you drop your bar.
This is not my opinion, it is a simple observation by looking around at the real world.
Never had a tube deflate on me either, but from simple observations at least 20% of the locals kites had leaks this seasonOldnbroken wrote:Never had a tube kite invert...I must be flying the good ones!Kamikuza wrote:And yet ... LEIs still deform and invert, despite the rigid frame.
Never had a tube kite deflate on the water...I must be really lucky.
I will admit that tube kites can fall out of the sky in 8-10 when the Flysurfer 21M stays up.
But I don't bother to ride in those conditions & I would never spend the money that a giant Speed costs.
@crash and toylet (especially crash), dude YOU are the poser here, even if you ride like frikin Aaron or Ruben, you are still a poser, good riders are mostly mellow and dont need to say or hear that they are good, they just ride, you comment and pump your ego (mayb its pump my ego up, prolly) all the time and now you post a photo of yourself in a neoprene suit POSING on the beach and say you ride in 55 knots, and both of you demanding foil riders to put up a video or photo of NONPRO, NONGOOD foil riders??????!!!!! riding in 55 knotsWTF? Let me wake your poser ass up, but YOU HAVE NOT PUT A VIDEO OR PHOTO OF A NONPRO, NONGOOD RIDER RIDING A LEI IN 55 OR EVEN STRONG WIND! You havent even put up anything else exept YOU POSING IN A NEOPREN ON THE BEACH! DD
So to sum it up you guys have not put anything on here that would show riding in nuking winds but you hammer foil riders coz they havent put a video....or w8 no they did post a video hahaha so funny, they actually did post a foil riding in super nuking winds....(this reminds me of the thread with the 10k bet, same fcking shit just different extremes)
crash&burn wrote:
thank you Tommy Dell for contributing so much to this topic.
the dude in the picture is not me, i am riding in the first pic I posted am behind the lens for the rest I posted the best visual evidence I had to try to validate my scenario( because I was called out) and sorry if I POSED out trying to do so.
I think its clear that I am not looking for people riding in 55 knots. Those are not desired riding conditions but they exist and having witnessed what properly piloted inflatables do in 9m, 7m, and higher wind wave riding I just want to SEE (not read) how a foil handles it. The videos home boy put up had none of that.
good point, well made.TommyDelly wrote:crash&burn wrote:
thank you Tommy Dell for contributing so much to this topic.
the dude in the picture is not me, i am riding in the first pic I posted am behind the lens for the rest I posted the best visual evidence I had to try to validate my scenario( because I was called out) and sorry if I POSED out trying to do so.
I think its clear that I am not looking for people riding in 55 knots. Those are not desired riding conditions but they exist and having witnessed what properly piloted inflatables do in 9m, 7m, and higher wind wave riding I just want to SEE (not read) how a foil handles it. The videos home boy put up had none of that.
haha ok crash, thats just like the time when i was on Mt.Everest (with my finger on the map)
I think eddys jump was impresive, it wasnt the biggest jump ever but still pretty dope!
And you say 55 knot conditions, 55 knots is +63mph, on your graphs there is a peak of maybe 55 knots, thats like a foil kiter saying that he rode in 0 wind(0knots) coz there was a lull of 0 wind at one time he was out so therefore he can ride in 0 knots
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