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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:23 pm 
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Toby wrote:
If we have less instrutors, but better educated, they can charge more and beaches don't get too overcrowded with kiters who have no clue and cause bans.

The catch is that if prices seems unreasonably high or if its hard to find an available instructor more will learn from friends or on their own, so I strongly doubt that less instructors will have a good influence on overall safety.

And its not only about education, if you are a irrational/irresponsible person you will hardly become a good instructor no matter how much high quality training you get.
Same goes for the ordinary kiter, you can be trained by the best and still become a reckless kiter.
Just look at the traffic, you need to pay attention and learn about safety to get your driver license, still many drivers really don't care about safety.
Passing a IQ/personality test should be included in instructor training, but that would be hard to solve in practice.


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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:01 pm 
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Well, true.

So maybe KSA should be able to kick out instructors? But then they will teach under IKO...

So I guess at the ITCs they need to pay more attention to whom they give the licenses!
Or make ITCs like 2 weeks of hard training, so the according knowledge is passes on.

And yes, not all instructors are equally conscious about what they do and teach...but they should!


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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:03 pm 
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The problem with this sport is so many bogus " kite instructors" out there want to grab quick money and cool title,sometimes it's much better for newbie to learn this sport with an experience budy.I know some of you so call "instructor" will jump because it will demand more training,more skills than what you currently known and if you love teaching ,you should happily constant refine your skill/knowledge.If you can't keep up with this then you should have no business teaching anyone or fooling around with the wanna learn newbie . The fact is....
Experience instructors can spot and correct the bad habit for beginners from day one and gradually influence the newbie into safety practice,but reckless behavior is something else up to individual responsible,if you need an open heart or brain surgery you better have the world most experience doctor to work on you,but then your own health is really your own responsibility to take care,your choice to stay healthy or unhealthy.Therefore ,i really disagree with McAbe post above.
As i said previously,ITC or instructor exam should only locate and conduct somewhere on the planet with reliable 35 knots wind condition and that is a good practical way to measure the quality/skill of the instructors.
If you still worry about the money cost then think again what Toby just said:
Think sport, not money, then you will get both.
I bet you he got this from his experience running this forum site.You've got it made Bro,damn ! i want your lifestyle.


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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:34 pm 
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aircatcher wrote:
your own health is really your own responsibility to take care,your choice to stay healthy or unhealthy.


Dude, its that kind of attitude that gets innocent people hurt or killed!
It is immature and reckless to reason that way when practicing hazardous activities lite kite surf or driving.
You should be put in isolation!


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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:04 am 
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As Steve Jobs said, go after your passion if you want to be succesful !
But success is also relative...I rather live in the south then having a Porsche.
Lucky guys who have both ;-)

So mike, start KSA with the passion for the sport in your heart wanting to make things better.
Push it and believe in you and your goals...and it will most likely work.
If your in it just for the money, it most likely won't work.

And do listen to the feedback on here...this will help you to improve at a faster rate!
And always ask if you need an opinion or help!

Good luck!


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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:59 am 
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ok. the KSA is a work in proress. i am passionate about kiteboarding. it has allowed me to live the life i have always dreamed about. i have put a manager into my kite school to give me some time to develope this project. i also run 2 guesthouses and produce a range of kiteboards under the magnumkiteboards.com brand. at this stage there have not been any revenue generated but if /when there are they will be listed on the accounting page of the KSA website. how these funds are spent will also be listed. so far i have donated the start up funds from my manum boards company and in return i think it will be fair that i get to put a logo on the KSA webpage as all other sponsors will also get the same.
i have donated my time and i am hoping to find passionate people like myself to be representitives. i have no intention of ever making money from this organisation. if i have to give up my kiteschool and guest house business then i will need a small salary for my living expenses or the KSA will have to employ some to manage the association. as far as reimbursing cost this will have to be done on a case by case basis. again all expenses will be on the public accounting page.
hope this answers your questions.

loco4viento wrote:
What does KSA do with the revenues generated? Are all the workers involved doing so for free? Are they getting paid or reimbursed for travel, meals, lodging and equipment?

Are you doing this just to "give back" to a sport that you love or are you hoping that in some way this is a money maker for you?

Please don't answer with "non-profit" again. I'm pretty sure we both know what that means and that is not what I am asking.


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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:37 am 
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McAbe wrote:
aircatcher wrote:
your own health is really your own responsibility to take care,your choice to stay healthy or unhealthy.


Dude, its that kind of attitude that gets innocent people hurt or killed!
It is immature and reckless to reason that way when practicing hazardous activities lite kite surf or driving.
You should be put in isolation!

You probably should not participate in this "hazardous activity" of kiteboarding,sound likes you don't have much idea about this sport , go pick up a golf ball and club to swing,it's a lot gentler for you.
Our isolation from IKO have been great,we had influenced our city to spend big money to build the kite park for us with showers,board washing racks and grass rigging/landing area . We train our beach life guard how to rescue down kiter on yearly basis and open free safety clinic for everyone.We made our own safety rules to kite and self policing our kite beach with the collaboration of beach life guard department.We have enjoyed this harmonize atmosphere for years without any negative incidents,even IKO could not break this spirit through many attempts to impose license to kite on our beach. So go head call us immature and reckless anyway you wish.But sorry,i just can't accept your senseless goofy point of view.


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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:51 am 
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What about the KSA that already exists?

the Kite and snowkite association?

http://www.ksa-international.org/

Do they know about the new KSA (kite safe association)?


+1

You shouldn't use a name that's already taken :nono:


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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:02 pm 
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aircatcher wrote:
McAbe wrote:
aircatcher wrote:
your own health is really your own responsibility to take care,your choice to stay healthy or unhealthy.


Dude, its that kind of attitude that gets innocent people hurt or killed!
It is immature and reckless to reason that way when practicing hazardous activities lite kite surf or driving.
You should be put in isolation!

You probably should not participate in this "hazardous activity" of kiteboarding,sound likes you don't have much idea about this sport , go pick up a golf ball and club to swing,it's a lot gentler for you.
Our isolation from IKO have been great,we had influenced our city to spend big money to build the kite park for us with showers,board washing racks and grass rigging/landing area . We train our beach life guard how to rescue down kiter on yearly basis and open free safety clinic for everyone.We made our own safety rules to kite and self policing our kite beach with the collaboration of beach life guard department.We have enjoyed this harmonize atmosphere for years without any negative incidents,even IKO could not break this spirit through many attempts to impose license to kite on our beach. So go head call us immature and reckless anyway you wish.But sorry,i just can't accept your senseless goofy point of view.


Dude, I am absolutely not pro IKO and think its great with local initiatives like yours.

Though I get the feeling your motivation is most from fear of being banned.

You should still be put in isolation for not regarding safety of others more important than your own need for kicks.

I'm tired of seeing tards like that everywhere, scaring away other beach users and occupying the best spots through disrespect for other non suicidal kiters.


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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:33 am 
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Was hoping to find it in the thread, but please enlighten me about NAMBLA kiwimike.
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