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 Post subject: Re: Advanced technic to bail out in air loft .
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:39 pm 
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This is the movie, of which we are talking about in this thread ( I perform the kiteloops ) .

My message was to "Reconsider the kiteloop as a safety problem" , "Control your flight with kiteloop" , "Avoid to be lifted" etc..



I have never said in my movie you should do a kiteloop in uplift ( eventhough I have prooved that it is possible in certain conditions )


On the 27 of March, 2011 I asked the following question:


kite4surf wrote:

Too many words, let's be constructive:

Please answer the following question: (regarding the minute 1.02 of my movie) :

Do you consider that kiteloops (if he mastered them) could have

helped Malik to control his landing, and to make it smoother? could he have

had picked his landing area, and have helped not to fall with his head

dangerously close to the rocks?

Vlad



You have answered my question 11 months later.


Billy B. wrote:

I have no problem using this technique when the air is not rising, which is what will cause a lofting which is the title of this thread and what we are discussing. Using loops in this manner will bring the rider down, this is what you would want to do after you move out of the rising air causeing you to get lofted. Any move ment to catch air ind make lift will be better then just falling.


This proves that you finally came to our conclusion, that the kiteloop can be an " Advanced technique to bail out in air loft ", when you are descending, and it is worth to master it.


Further on is the movie which proves that it is possible to bail out with kiteloop in an updraft:






Between 0:47 and 0:51 seconds, the kite is at zenith and there is unsignificant movement of it. Therefore, there is no movement to generate the jump. At the second 0:51 the uplift starts. "He didn't hesitate doing the kiteloop, with his right hand, at second 0:52 , and he did also look at his kite as he reacted.".

This I have said before, and I have said in this thread other things that are worth to be read again. Before posting something else, please read again carefully what I have stated in this thread ( I repeat myself ) ....

Each time you will derive from the subject of this thread, I will re-post this message. I am waiting for information ( movies or comments ) that will bring new experience / things, on this subject.

Vlad Postelnicu



EDIT 23.07.2013
THIS IS THE LINK TO MY MOVIE,
"KITEBOARDING -- About lift ACCIDENTS --KITELOOP a
SAFETY PROBLEM -- HD Vlad Postelnicu " ( THE SUBJECT OF THESE THREADS ) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjrFW_yXCzY



EDIT 23.07.2013
THIS is the movie which prooves that it is possible to bail out with
kiteloop in an updraft:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfImnCP9J_E


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 Post subject: Re: Advanced technic to bail out in air loft .
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:47 pm 
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Billy,
I read through all our your comments and I appreciate your dedication to keeping the kite community safe. This is a dangerous sport and I think the instruction on YouTube videos needs to be focused on what you can do beforehand-i.e. What you can do to prevent yourself from being in a situation where you get lofted.
Kiteboarding reminds me a lot of flying airplanes. Great fun that can quickly turn into tragedy when discipline takes a lunch break.
However thanks for posting the videos and getting a discussion out there that should be talked about now and not after the fact.

Jake
http://kitegrab.com


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 Post subject: Re: Advanced technic to bail out in air loft .
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:17 am 
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kitegrab wrote:
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Kiteboarding reminds me a lot of flying airplanes. Great fun that can quickly turn into tragedy when discipline takes a lunch break.
...

Jake
http://kitegrab.com


Another Awesome reply from our US fighter pilot for the Air Force.

His Last post focused on -- Operational Risk Management, and for those of Ya rolling
your eyes right now,(positive it's happening) --- there are a few correlations that you can
infer from the fact of Jake being a Fighter pilot :
** He's had the Best training for most ANY job on the planet.
** He's Not just focused on, "in the Moment" or the here and now; but he projects a line
that encompasses ALL for his situational awareness,
((if SH*T goes Bad -- He's Prepared)) --especially since people with equal training are
trying to Kill him.

On his post about Operational Risk Management, There are things that we normal humans
can do to help cut down on the reaction time for Impending Doom :
-- First is the TOTAL elimination of Complacency, (that's one which took my legs, on a HG).
-- Second is Preparedness .

How does This apply to This Thread ?
Think Very Carefully about what your gonna do, cause once you leave the ground or
water, your now Flying.

And Flying Can and Will, "KILL" Ya ; if your Not prepared.
The Crappy thing about Nature is : "she LIKES to toss Ya change-ups" sometimes faster
than you can deal with them !!



Bille

Edit :
I won't be preaching about equipment flaws with water kites
used for Flying , ever again .
I'm probably one of the worst kiters
on this forum , (mostly because of Different equipment flaws) ; in the air is a Different
story and i can hold my own against some Damn Good pilots. If Ya care to
go HG'ing with me , then i'll break out the Rigid & probably take your Beer any time
you choose, and won't take it personal if i loose.


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 Post subject: Re: Advanced technic to bail out in air loft .
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:01 am 
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Bille wrote:
kitegrab wrote:
...
Kiteboarding reminds me a lot of flying airplanes. Great fun that can quickly turn into tragedy when discipline takes a lunch break.
...

Jake
http://kitegrab.com


How does This apply to This Thread ?
Think Very Carefully about what your gonna do, cause once you leave the ground or
water, your now Flying.

And Flying Can and Will, "KILL" Ya ; if your Not prepared.
The Crappy thing about Nature is : "she LIKES to toss Ya change-ups" sometimes faster
than you can deal with them !!

Look closely at this picture of Me falling 400ft, & what Gravity can do :
And you guys are Flying with equipment that's just Barely good for 2G's ?


Bille



100% TRUE !


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 Post subject: Re: Advanced technic to bail out in air loft .
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:52 pm 
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kitegrab wrote:
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What you can do to prevent yourself from being in a situation where you get lofted.
......
Jake
http://kitegrab.com



Please see the seconds 4:23 , 4:28 , 4,33 , 4:38 , 4:43 . of my movie :



4:23 "to avoid beeing lifted keep your kite at 45 ,on the beach - towards
the water - , or on the land - towards safety zone -


4:28 "high jumps only in good places and good conditions ...

4:33 " avoid places , conditions or obstacles wich create strong
ascendent air curents "


4:38 " don't start your kiteboarding session without the knowlege of
weather conditions from diferent sites


4:43 " attention at : ..... changing wind -
direction or intensity


Vlad.

EDIT 23.07.2013
THIS IS THE LINK TO MY MOVIE,
"KITEBOARDING -- About lift ACCIDENTS --KITELOOP a
SAFETY PROBLEM -- HD Vlad Postelnicu " ( THE SUBJECT OF THESE THREADS ) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjrFW_yXCzY


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 Post subject: Re: Advanced technic to bail out in air loft .
PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:59 pm 
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https://vimeo.com/m/61645837


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 Post subject: Re: Advanced technic to bail out in air loft .
PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:38 am 
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This is not an air loft,it's a tow up from ground/water level to 790ft high.Probably was done with support and careful planning calculation, advices from experienced paragliders team (evidenced by reserve parachute he wear on his chest, harness mod to semi paraglider style and perhaps some kite mod on bridals and towpoint connections to increase breaking point stress tolerance on kite ) .This kid did many midair kiteloops on the way down to water.I think it's fair to say 40% of credit should go to the support team.Kiteboarding sport has become more technical complex and wild.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ8M9BV6SQ8


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