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Re: Flysurfer Speed3 - The Ultimate Flying Machine

Postby PBKiteboarding » Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:56 am

You got it.. the wind window moves and shifts all over the place...
I'm doing some pendulum Jumps here... as it shifts...



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joedy wrote:Thanks for the links, fellas.

Once I understood the wind window and how it changes while moving with the kite (the apparent wind against the kite), it makes sense now.

-joedy

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Re: Flysurfer Speed3 - The Ultimate Flying Machine

Postby joriws » Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:07 pm

joedy wrote:Once I understood the wind window and how it changes while moving with the kite (the apparent wind against the kite), it makes sense now.


If you want to visualize wind window I hope my tool helps you

http://www.jori.ws/kite_vectors/

You should see something like attached image
- white arrow is apparent wind
- green arrow is board direction
- true wind is always bottom to top
kitevectors_example_56kn_speedrecord.jpg

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Re: Flysurfer Speed3 - The Ultimate Flying Machine

Postby alexrider » Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:51 pm

joriws wrote:
joedy wrote:Once I understood the wind window and how it changes while moving with the kite (the apparent wind against the kite), it makes sense now.


If you want to visualize wind window I hope my tool helps you

http://www.jori.ws/kite_vectors/

You should see something like attached image
- white arrow is apparent wind
- green arrow is board direction
- true wind is always bottom to top
kitevectors_example_56kn_speedrecord.jpg

Great job jori! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
But really, you should back-up more often ;-)

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Re: Flysurfer Speed3 - The Ultimate Flying Machine

Postby joedy » Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:39 pm

Joriws:

Thanks for the link, Joriws. I enjoyed using your program. Also, check Foilzone in the Infinity Bar Pimping thread; I inquired with your concerning your cylinders on the Speed3 kites.


Axelrider:

Thank you for taking the time to type up your response.


Kami:

Thanks for the link.

-joedy

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Re: Flysurfer Speed3 - The Ultimate Flying Machine

Postby zob » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:49 am

joedy wrote:Also, check Foilzone in the Infinity Bar Pimping thread;


Joedy, can you please post a link to this thread?

tnx

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Re: Flysurfer Speed3 - The Ultimate Flying Machine

Postby alexrider » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:33 am

joriws wrote:If you want to visualize wind window I hope my tool helps you
http://www.jori.ws/kite_vectors/

Let us know when you've got your program back that includes the Speed3.
What L/D values were you taking for high and low aspect ratio tube kites?
It seems the value you took was not better than 4. I believe even tubes have far better L/D than that.
L/D of Speeds much approach that of paragliders (8+).

Afterthought: perhaps you are integrating the fact the kite's pull is not horizontal, yet another factor that should be taken into account.
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Re: Flysurfer Speed3 - The Ultimate Flying Machine

Postby Séb » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:00 pm

zob wrote:
joedy wrote:Also, check Foilzone in the Infinity Bar Pimping thread;


Joedy, can you please post a link to this thread?

tnx

http://www.foilzone.com/phpbb3/viewtopi ... =1&t=12870

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Re: Flysurfer Speed3 - The Ultimate Flying Machine

Postby Herbert_U » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:37 pm

Hi,

as you're talking about the shifting wind window, there's also this website with some interesting pics.
http://www.aeroandi.de/kitesurf-mechanik/das-sich-drehende-dynamische-windfester/

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Re: Flysurfer Speed3 - The Ultimate Flying Machine

Postby joriws » Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:13 pm

alexrider wrote:
joriws wrote:If you want to visualize wind window I hope my tool helps you
http://www.jori.ws/kite_vectors/

Let us know when you've got your program back that includes the Speed3.
What L/D values were you taking for high and low aspect ratio tube kites?
It seems the value you took was not better than 4. I believe even tubes have far better L/D than that.
L/D of Speeds much approach that of paragliders (8+).

Afterthought: perhaps you are integrating the fact the kite's pull is not horizontal, yet another factor that should be taken into account.


Actually "openness" of wind window is not calculated because I could not find any formula for it. Also sea current, board, snowboard, skis are not modelled as this is mainly ww rotation visualization tool.

So clicking HI-AR and LOW-AR only changes gradient of approx usable wind window. There were some discussion about gradients when I built the tool.

But like said there are so many variables..

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Re: Flysurfer Speed3 - The Ultimate Flying Machine

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