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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:16 pm 
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ALGOR wrote:
.... and now it's impossible to drive (and logically I could add) a motorbike without an helmet (except you live in a not civilized world).
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Oh do I love that one. A civilised world is one where you would follow the rules without thinking!
In ALGOR's Brave New World, you'd have to wear a helmet in the elevator, in the street, in the loo, whilst sleeping... I am pretty sure some helmet manufacturer funded studies would prove that it is safer to wear a helmet in all circumstances.

More to follow...


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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:27 pm 
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ALGOR wrote:
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Alex, the regulation are born with the earth.
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If you care about other's "personal opinion", my narrow "private angle of view" tells me you find the primal regulations so inadequate that you feel obliged to improve them with your owns.

Is your "spirit of regulation" born on the soil of Calabria, the land of 'Ndrangheta?

More to follow. One post per inconsistency; sorry for that.


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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:00 am 
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ALGOR wrote:
Alex, the regulation are born with the earth.
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It's for that reason then humans created "laws".
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There are good laws and there are bad laws, and there are too many laws, and that's bad.
The many laws that pretend to protect you give you a false sense of security and make you stupid because they abstain you from thinking for yourself. The end result is equivalent to brain damage.

And you know why there are too many laws?
Because there are too many legislators and MPs, trying to justify their seats in Congress or Parliament.
So they keep passing new useless laws as if they were fiat, not backed by anything in the real world.
And just as fiat currencies, laws become worthless.

It's about it. Don't get me wrong, I reckon a body created by riders for riders to set safety standards as Mike suggests is an excellent thing, as long as there is is no government interference (they don't know better), as long as such organisation is not a business and independent of the kite business, and as along as findings and standards remain recommendations, the first one of which should be "think for yourself".


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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:12 pm 
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Thanks Alexrider for let my sunday so funny and hexilerant... :lol:
If we start a championship of sentence's cut&paste you probably win without doubt.
Unfortunally I have no time to spend to let you able to generate by yourself other else or understand posts of others.
And I not evaluete myself so good to sucessufully do that for you, as is your cultural level and logical/intellectual stage is could be a loosen battle.
I hope you can understand at least this, I hope. :allbegood:
If you can, please contunue with your posts: it's so fantastic and contructive, really, please.

Ciao from 'ndrangheta country :bye: :P


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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:16 pm 
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Props to you...

A second language is well beyond the scope of most who were brought up with English...

They have no trouble however teasing those who reach out across a language barrier to share there thoughts...

Your words are understood, and your opinions are your rite to possess...

Don't let the d-wads get to you...your heart is in the right place, although there are plenty who might disagree...the effort taken to express your thoughts should be viewed as a sign of your love for kiting...

Not a Bad thing eh?

Hang in there
Best Regards
fo



ALGOR wrote:
Thanks Alexrider for let my sunday so funny and hexilerant... :lol:
If we start a championship of sentence's cut&paste you probably win without doubt.
Unfortunally I have no time to spend to let you able to generate by yourself other else or understand posts of others.
And I not evaluete myself so good to sucessufully do that for you, as is your cultural level and logical/intellectual stage is could be a loosen battle.
I hope you can understand at least this, I hope. :allbegood:
If you can, please contunue with your posts: it's so fantastic and contructive, really, please.

Ciao from 'ndrangheta country :bye: :P


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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:54 pm 
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kingofyo wrote:
Props to you...

A second language is well beyond the scope of most who were brought up with English...

They have no trouble however teasing those who reach out across a language barrier to share there thoughts...

Your words are understood, and your opinions are your rite to possess...

Don't let the d-wads get to you...your heart is in the right place, although there are plenty who might disagree...the effort taken to express your thoughts should be viewed as a sign of your love for kiting...

Not a Bad thing eh?

Hang in there
Best Regards
fo

ALGOR wrote:
Thanks Alexrider for let my sunday so funny and hexilerant... :lol:
If we start a championship of sentence's cut&paste you probably win without doubt.
Unfortunally I have no time to spend to let you able to generate by yourself other else or understand posts of others.
And I not evaluete myself so good to sucessufully do that for you, as is your cultural level and logical/intellectual stage is could be a loosen battle.
I hope you can understand at least this, I hope. :allbegood:
If you can, please contunue with your posts: it's so fantastic and contructive, really, please.

Ciao from 'ndrangheta country :bye: :P


ALGOR:

fo is EXACTLY CORRECT.

And always remember that the writer who resorts to personal attacks, probably thinks you have a more convincing argument. In fact, maybe they read my post starting the thread "Helmets - there should be a law" which I've reproduce below.

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Actually, I dont really want a law. The title was just to get attention.

However, the only reason I don like the idea of a law is that it would necessitate authorities involvement in kitesurfing and their involvement for sure wouldn’t stop with helmets.

The fact is that you can make a better case for kitesurfers being required to wear a helmet than any other sport for the following reasons:

In ALL OTHER sports (motorcycle riding included):

1. The MAIN purpose of a helmet is to protect the participant by keeping his/her brains in their head as well as preventing or at least minimizing a participant’s less severe head injury DURING an accident. And in water sports, also to prevent drowning by becoming unconscious or severely stunned when hit hard.

It never PREVENTS an accident from occurring.

2. Virtually the ENTIRE benefit of the helmet accrues ONLY to the wearer.
(Whatever societal benefits there are in the respect that society has to spend less resources dealing with head injured people are comparatively minor.)

The DIFFERENCE is that in kiteboarding, BESIDES having the same purpose as #1 above:

3. Wearing a helmet CAN PREVENT a serious accident. Helmets can do this because a relatively minor head bonk without a helmet could stun someone enough so that they lose control of their kite and end up in the deep doo doo. You could get tapped by your board or dragged into a trash can etc. A helmet could be the difference between losing control of your kite or not.


And/or being able to activate your quick releases or not.

4. Because of the foregoing, a helmet can ALSO PROTECT OTHER PEOPLE since it is obvious that out of control kites are potentially dangerous to others as well as the unlucky kiter.

I have NEVER heard a GOOD reason why kiteboarders shouldn’t wear a helmet.
If anyone believes that THEY KNOW A GOOD REASON, PLEASE POST IT on this thread !!

Reasons I consider NOT GOOD include:

1. They aren’t comfortable enough.
It’s true that at first they are noticeably less comfortable than NO helmet (unless its cold). However, there are many different brands, sizes etc. and anyone that can get used to wearing a harness, can easily get used to wearing a helmet.

2. They don’t look cool.
What can I say. What’s going to happen if some less-than rocket-scientist thinks you look less cool? If you’re this insecure about your image, maybe you should spend some of your kiting time with self-help books.

3. I’ve never needed one.
Don’t laugh. I’ve heard this more than once. How someone can conclude that never having BEEN bonked means they’ll never BE bonked, always boggles my mind.

4. I can’t afford one.
Get a used one. Obviously, virtually anyone that can afford to kitesurf can afford another $20 - 100.

SOME MISCELLANEOUS CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING HELMETS:

1. I understand that the VAST majority of kiteboarding FATALITIES are due to head injuries.

2. Helmets with ear protection are probably better because your board is NOT your friend and it might hit you there.

4/15/12 ADD: Also this can prevent bursting an eardrum with a bad fall and may prevent the boney growths in the ear canal which are common among people who are frequently in cold water (My health care provider seems to be trying to make my hearing WORSE in order to convince me to have an operation which I consider too risky. If you have a profit minded health care provider, it might be better to avoid giving them this excuse for an operation).

3. Bright colors like yellow may be advantageous in case you’re ever hoping that the Coast Guard is going to find you. But if you’d like to be color coordinated to your equipment, that’s OK.

Besides commenting on the foregoing, if anyone has a helmet which they especially like, it would be nice if they could post their reasons on this thread.

Richard M.
Malibu Kitesurfing - since 2002
(310) - 430 - KITE (5483)
http://www.MalibuKitesurfing.NET
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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:42 pm 
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kingofyo wrote:
Props to you...

A second language is well beyond the scope of most who were brought up with English...

They have no trouble however teasing those who reach out across a language barrier to share there thoughts...

Your words are understood, and your opinions are your rite to possess...

Don't let the d-wads get to you...your heart is in the right place, although there are plenty who might disagree...the effort taken to express your thoughts should be viewed as a sign of your love for kiting...

Not a Bad thing eh?

Hang in there :P
Best Regards
fo

Thanks for the compliment, fo. :thumb:
You perfectly understood that my painstaking teasing rants were a sign of my love for unrestrained kiting.
Saying my "heart is in the right place", in particular, touched me.
Hanging in...
Cheers, :bye:
Alex
btw, you got something wrong, English is my 4th language, not the 2nd.
I don't know, for example what d-wad stands for.
I also appreciate that your deliberate spelling mistakes are made to comfort ALGOR, whose English btw is on par with the vast majority of posters here. On the other hand I've been less vociferous and less concise than you have to make my point in just two killer lines:
kingofyo wrote:
But all this tripe about others safety is just pure sanctimonious BS
Who the fuck are you to be laying down the law


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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:25 pm 
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ALGOR wrote:
Thanks Alexrider for let my sunday so funny and hexilerant... :lol:
If we start a championship of sentence's cut&paste you probably win without doubt.
Unfortunally I have no time to spend to let you able to generate by yourself other else or understand posts of others.
And I not evaluete myself so good to sucessufully do that for you, as is your cultural level and logical/intellectual stage is could be a loosen battle.
I hope you can understand at least this, I hope. :allbegood:
If you can, please contunue with your posts: it's so fantastic and contructive, really, please.

Ciao from 'ndrangheta country :bye: :P

I didn't mean to hurt your feelings, ALGOR.
Well.. just a tiny little bit.
I was probably wrong with the way I expressed my opinion (a strong that one, on ever increasing regulations).
You answered my first post as if regulations were inevitable. And basically, that Naish should set the example by wearing a helmet. I took that as a provocation and that's what got me fuming.
I'd like to know btw the opinion on the use of helmets of the legends which created the sport. My guess is that you wouldn't like to hear what they'd say. My guess is that it will very much be in line with the quotes of Einstein, Churchill, Shakespeare and the likes.
I hope you can understand at least this, I hope. :allbegood:
I think I said enough. Peace. :cheers:
Alex
PS: I know and like your country a lot. Perhaps because more than any other EU people, you've got the knack for going round the regulations :wink: . Give me that, OK?


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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:23 pm 
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NOP :cheers: for me.
All I try to push is the safety's awareness.
I know this have not a common point of view.
But I saw a couple of my friends really luky to stay live thanks to his helmet.
Last one flying under death-kiteloops and finishing and bouncing over rocks...
Yes for sure he wrong a lot, but his helmet saved probably his life.
And as you underline: of course an helmet dont let you immortal nor smarter...
Just that :bye:


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 Post subject: Re: Kite Safe Association pre roll out
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:24 am 
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Now we can relax on the subject:



Thanks to plummet from the "Doctors on helmets" thread.


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