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 Post subject: Re: ALWAYS lines "ON" on all your kites ??
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 6:43 pm 
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fokiten wrote:
Leaving your lines on is fine, but one still needs to inspect the pig tail knots, such things (failure points) are every bit as important as having the lines on right...


Hello Kittypuss.....can't think of any oink oink tail knot failure ever and i kite like crazy at the beach

My take on oink oink tail is totally opposite:

To me it is the sand that gets under the lark's head knot over and over from removing lines back and forth that will wear them.When lines stay on (all stay clean) and no sand gets under to grind and wear oink oink tail knots over time :)

Still a very big thank you for your reply................... :surf: :sun: ...............................


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 Post subject: Re: ALWAYS lines "ON" on all your kites ??
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 6:45 pm 
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Marty wrote:
I started leaving my lines attached for snowkiting.
It is so much work to run out the lines in the powder.
I always try to inflate the kite on a hill,
then just unwind the lines as I slide down the hill on my board,
that way I don't have to post hole through the powder.

After maybe 4-5 years of leaving lines attached to kites.
I only have about 1% tangle rate now.
and unless I go through a bridle line somehow,
it is very easy to "wrap" the bar around to untangle.

I'm going to Maui soon and taking 1 bar for a 10M and 12M combo.
Sure hope I remember how to attach lines on the beach, ha.
Better yet, I hope I won't even need the larger kites.


Very well said Marty :thumb:


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 Post subject: Re: ALWAYS lines "ON" on all your kites ??
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 7:57 pm 
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Rando1994 wrote:
Hey supa, do you mind describing how you land, deflate, and pack down your tube kites with the lines attached? Sounds like a great idea, but not sure how you get it done quickly. Thanks!


I would be glad to:
Land kite at edge of wind window by yourself or with assistant
The kite should fall Leading Edge down or assistant will flip it LE down

At this point detach yourself from kite completely and go to your kite and flip it belly up (wingtips up)
Hit the dump valve at kite's center or wingtip and lay the kite on its back "in line with the wind flow"

Weigh the upwind folded wingtip (about 1 1/2 foot fold) with sand to secure kite down
Push as much air out of struts as you can by pushing with flat palms and do same with leading edge

At that point go to your bar and start winding your lines by walking toward the kite's Trailing Edge
When you get about 20-25 ft from TE(stop winding) walk around upwind wingtip of the kite with bar

Place bar (secure flying lines w/bar ends cords) on ground 2 feet in front and on center of the LE
Gather all the "loose" lines and toss them in the kite that is still on it's back (by now pretty deflated)

Fold your kite from "wingtips to center"
If your kite has a "wingtip dump valve instead of center" start from wingtip without the dump valve
(easier to get air out faster)

When the kite has both wingtips folded in to near the center strut
Take the upwind folded area and place on top of downwind folded area

At that point you will have about a "2 foot wide kite strip" with the bar 2 feet in front center of LE

Fold kite in 2 (if battens) or in 3 starting from trailing edge going towards the leading edge

Squeeze all the air out the kite then grab bar from ground and simply lay atop of neatly folded kite

I never never advise to roll bar/lines EVER INSIDE any type kite!!!

Always should have bar/lines outside of kite 2 feet away from leading edge (with kite on it's back)
Works the same with either a foil or a tube

Next time you go out you pretty much undo in reverse all the steps :thumb:

.................................................... :surf: :sun: ...........you are :welcome: .................


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 Post subject: Re: Always lines "on" on all your kites ??
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 9:11 pm 
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Good if you kite in warm places where your kite is completely dry after 10 mins on the beach, so you're packing up a dry kite - but what about if you have to pack up a soggy, sand-covered mess ? 3/4 of the kiting I get in coastal BC everything is wet, and dealing with a wet sandy kite at home, usually in the garage, is far easier with no lines attached.


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 Post subject: Re: ALWAYS lines "ON" on all your kites ??
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 10:09 pm 
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fokiten wrote:
With this in mind I'd hope they might give my system a try...

No jiggling
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Hey Fo, long time.

It doesn't feel quite right for you to comment on my post with out you saying "hey fuc wad",,, ha..

I do use your system when running lines, glad you reminded me.
try this link http://tinyurl.com/cl9wpro

Marty


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 Post subject: Re: ALWAYS lines "ON" on all your kites ??
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 10:33 pm 
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Marty wrote:
fokiten wrote:
With this in mind I'd hope they might give my system a try...

No jiggling
fokiten


Hey Fo, long time.

It doesn't feel quite right for you to comment on my post with out you saying "hey fuc wad",,, ha..

I do use your system when running lines, glad you reminded me.
try this link http://tinyurl.com/cl9wpro

Marty


Hey fuc-wad...Always willing to oblige...

Actually my system has been adopted by some for profit kite schools---Kitepower for one, imagine that?? ha ha

It's perhaps my most lasting contribution to kitingsurfing, anyway I'd like to think of it that way...

glad to know you're still using it... it makes it all worth while

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fo


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 Post subject: Re: ALWAYS lines "ON" on all your kites ??
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 11:32 pm 
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I'm sure if you throw enough onomonopia backed up by a profusion of emotocons it'll all seem easy breezy to the more casual observer....

most likely they'll just skip the post as it seems just a childlike effort,...

no Biggie...

Fact is the pigtail knots, or Larksheads are subject to wear...

and sand knows no cleavage to which it's not admitted..

Being abrasive lends a certain urge for closer scrutiny : that works for text as well as the afore mentioned area of concern...(style is a personal choice)

Thing about leaving the lines on is it makes self launching uncertain...

I suppose you if you have a helper to hold the kite as you pull and peer robin like at the meters of twine hoping to confirm you've got it cleared (is that one clear can you see it??) it really would be of little concern...that's just not the case for everyone

There's a certain comfort in knowing your lines are clear and to be sure that's in no way guaranteed when you skip the rigging step...haste makes...

and that's just how it is...(so sorry)

You have my permission to never check your pig tail knots again..after all you control the sand...

rock-on
fokiten




SupaEZ wrote:
fokiten wrote:
Leaving your lines on is fine, but one still needs to inspect the pig tail knots, such things (failure points) are every bit as important as having the lines on right...


Hello Kittypuss.....can't think of any oink oink tail knot failure ever and i kite like crazy at the beach

My take on oink oink tail is totally opposite:

To me it is the sand that gets under the lark's head knot over and over from removing lines back and forth that will wear them.When lines stay on (all stay clean) and no sand gets under to grind and wear oink oink tail knots over time :)

Still a very big thank you for your reply................... :surf: :sun: ...............................


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 Post subject: Re: ALWAYS lines "ON" on all your kites ??
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:55 am 
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[quote="fokiten"]
Thing about leaving the lines on is it makes self launching uncertain...

There's a certain comfort in knowing your lines are clear and to be sure that's in no way guaranteed when you skip the rigging step...haste makes...

and that's just how it is...(so sorry) [quote]

WRONG ON 3 COUNTS KITTY (you only got 6 lives left) :nono:

1-Leaving lines ON makes "ALL" my 200+ self- launches per year 100% certain :thumb:

2-I have total comfort and confidence even if i totally rush to get out (i skip ZERO of MY steps)

3-And that's the way it really is FAUX CAT :party1: :respekt: :surf: :sun:


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 Post subject: Re: ALWAYS lines "ON" on all your kites ??
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:08 am 
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"Pride goeth before the Sprawl"....

Anytime you can capsulize a rebuttal with a well worn saw, you can be pretty sure you're dealing with the Simple...

Sorry supaez, no sale

Maybe stick to Geographical queries??

Some how your style seems more suited to lighter fare...

Best Regards
fo



SupaEZ wrote:
fokiten wrote:
Thing about leaving the lines on is it makes self launching uncertain...

There's a certain comfort in knowing your lines are clear and to be sure that's in no way guaranteed when you skip the rigging step...haste makes...

and that's just how it is...(so sorry)
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WRONG ON 3 COUNTS KITTY (you only got 6 lives left) :nono:

1-Leaving lines ON makes "ALL" my 200+ self- launches per year 100% certain :thumb:

2-I have total comfort and confidence even if i totally rush to get out (i skip ZERO of MY steps)

3-And that's the way it really is FAUX CAT :party1: :respekt: :surf: :sun:


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 Post subject: Re: Always lines "on" on all your kites ??
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:43 am 
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What the Flip does Geo-Graphical have to do with it! Had to put a Hyphen on such a BIG word!! :desperado: :desperado: :desperado: :desperado:

Got to have confidence in your ability and trusting how you put up equipment. Seems like taking lines off is like Training wheels? Hmmmm. Meeeeeeee Ouch!!! :happybirthday: :happybirthday: :happybirthday: :happybirthday:


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