first of all TobyÃ‚Â´s right that the pricing for the 12.5 - at least in Germany - is by far not reasonable. IÃ‚Â´ve choosen a Toro 16 just for the relaunching aspect and my really more intermediate skills .. I only can compare to my CO2 11.5 I previously owned and to the impressions I had last weekend. Toro 16 is extremely light! ItÃ‚Â´s far lighter than my CO2 9.0. Struts are very very thin and itÃ‚Â´s nailed to the air in lightest winds. Extremely stable, no stall in 6 hours riding - being airtime novice ! CanÃ‚Â´t describe how HUGE the difference is to my CO2 11.5(15.6 surface). IÃ‚Â´ve also been far behind the 11.8 Abs and Rhino 16s before in terms of low end and upwind capabilities before. ABSOLUTELY REVERSED WORLD NOW !! Was the last guy to leave the lake .. )) I was very skeptical, maybe also due to a 20 years "partnership" with NeilPryde associated products, but itÃ‚Â´s really a quantum leap for me. Can only recommend to check this nice tool, nevertheless I would have prefered the Skoops great design. Maybe Bruno may read these lines and develop something for intermediates .. if he didnÃ‚Â´t already do ..