This may be the thread you are refering to,
Scroll down, there is a letter from Rob Whittall from Ozone here.
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The sweet thing about gliding is there is no need to pack up your kite at the bottom you turn around and back to the top in no time. When climbing a hill with a kite you are testing the equipment beyond what you do hanging underneath it. I know the equipment is not meant for gliding but done right it can be relatively safe. I prefer to glide on waterkites cause of there stability. I have glided on foils but have had collapses that when re inflating make it feel like the kite is going to explode. My point is that I hope one day somebody makes a kite that is built and tested to a higher standard. The possibilites are endless!

Ok dude I can not understand how some one who was number 4 in the world in one sport.

Thinks the correct move is to lecture and insult...about some aspect you have no experience. In a different sport.....

I can fly a paraglider. Taught my self by learning how to glide a kite first. No lessons needed cause it is slow and easy. I have been flying rc sail planes for 27 years so I understand lift. I also taught my self to kite.... I have strapped on a speed wing also, just not my thing, I don't wanna walk up n just fly down. I know lots of kiters who,learned to paraglide n speed fly after learning to glide and they all still glide......

Gliding with the kite can be super fun and is as safe as each person makes it. It is each flyers personal choice to fly what ever gear they feel safe flying at what ever level they want to progress to.

Stupid Internet gives anyone the chance to get on a forum and just make up what ever shit in their minds they think is going on with out having any experience in the topic.

How about you make the 5 hour drive up to the snow, and take a snow kite lesson and try gliding before you keep guessing. It isn't that easy. It takes much more skill then paragliding. I know a ton of pilots that have struggled with gliding under a kite and rule speed flying and paragliding


We pull way more gs then u think. I personally like to do shit that is way fucking dangerous and I know it.

But that's who I am that's what gets my nut off. The fact that my shit may break only makes it more exciting. For me...

If you don't wanna glide on kite gear great, don't . Please stop being a dick to people who choose to. You are just insulting people in your communiy....Your not saving lives. Your just fucking around on the internet bro...

We are still going to fly with our kites, because we understand what we are doing, on the gear we have, because we choose to. It's not because we can't speed fly or paraglide. It's because they are different sports that have different results and different rewards. But all have risk.



And with this skill comes understanding of the danger and the adaptation of the gear to preform as needed.

Thinking we just don't know non better and need us some learning bout all our flying.....is ignorant.

Come on don't stir up trouble. You don't really don't mean this. There is nothing exciting about snapping lines any more than getting a flat tire on your car. Nobody looks forward to a snap on the water, or snow, let alone 100 feet in the air.

UAH --
I "CAN" snow-kite, on both skies and a snow-board.

I can Also Paraglide, as well as fly a sailplane and a HG ; and i'm gonna choose the tool
that gives me the Best odds of survive for the days sport. If Ya hadn't noticed
i'm Not very lucky or i would still have feet, so i kinda have-To leave myself
a way OUT when sh*t goes Bad.

The topic headliner, first post was a guy that looked to be several hundred
feet in the air with a water kite ; & there's somewhat ignorant people on THIS subject
that say to themselves : "That looks Fun, didn't know Ya could do that" !!

Being Ignorant of something Doesn't make a person Stupid !!!!

My advice : "Yea you CAN do that , but Don't" ---- "it ranks right up there with
doing heroin, and yes That is STUPID also" !!!
(( but people Have tried to talk me into That as well)).
Once again : "i'll stick with Pot, Beer and Pussy",
and I will do my home-work Before taking up what looks to be another
fun sport.

If i Blow-Up my HG doing ACRO, i got a reserve AND the altitude to use it,
unless i was at Torry Pines, then i got smooth enough coastal air that the
glider isn't gonna get destroyed in turbulence. Haven t done anything but glide
in years though.

SO there --Billy B--
I Want YOU to explain to --waynepjh-- , exactly what is happening when he
experiences THIS :



& "((DON"T))" Fuck-Up your response by leaving out critical Sh*t he should know
about, on what Is really happening , cause i'll be right here to get on your case if
Ya do !!!

SO -- waynepjh-- I know PG pilots that use the PG the same way you use a Kite, to
pull them-self UP a snow covered slope ; then turn and glide back down. That would
be WAY safer than what your currently doing now, and maybe it would give you ideas
for a safer way to glide ?

Bille

Oh I am stirring up trouble. This topic comes up every year and is the same people that don't glide bad mouthing those who choose to.

For the same reasons always...

Ok here is a thought.

How many thousands of flights have kiters logged gliding. I could do 30 plus a day if a wanted maybe even a 100 plus. How many injuries? How many fatal gliding accidents have there been?

What is the true flight hours to injury ratio?

Every time the topic comes up gear is going to fail... The failures that have happened have been on the bar end, not the kite end.... Some due to neglect others to a manufactors defect...

My gear is new and inspected...I don't worry about line snaps.

My point is simple if you have not used a kite to fly with. How well do you know your subject matter?

How well do you know how your gear performs as a wing? How do you know what ur comfort level would be with out experience?

Go use your kite how ever u want. But don't confuse your experience with someone else's. It all still kiting. You can watch people jump on water and think. I am not going to do that what if a line breaks, the kite pops its shallow...etc....but that doesn't mean you should tell person jumping they are "NOT COOL" for doing so.

Just because you don't want to doesn't mean others shouldn't ..........

Most people start smoking cigarettes, because some dick said they'd be COOL
like Him if they do that ---
NOPE , Nothing COOL about a cigarette !!! Do you smoke also ?

I noticed you left out something in your last post about turbulence ?? What's up with That ??

Bille

Again you r just blowing shit up online....you have not used a kite to glide with, just that simple come share your thoughts after and they wil be more valid.

I don't need to explain shit to Wayne he knows what's up.

.you have not spent the years under a kite as a wing so the person with the least experience on this topic is you...

Non of the people flying with the kite have a problem doing so, many of us wish our shit was rated that's for sure. But again we take the risk based on our experience.

Ever notice the only people talking bout how dangerous it is are the one not doing it? The people thinking."...we'll I broke a four year old line once so it must be fucking crazy...."

That shit Robbie wrote years ago was because Ozone sells paragliders and kites, and want to sell you both if you wanna fly. Rob glides all over the fucking place on his kites, he is mad talented gliding. why do you think Rob would still glide on kites then?

Funny but you are much wiser about using kites to fly with since you have never tried it, then Rob Whittail who has?

He was number fucking 1 in the world a couple times..... Huh and he glides,with kites what would he know that you don,t???

And finally... Really I need to worry about you "getting on my case about it". You don't even know enough about Wayne's background but you think I should educated him while you sit and make sure it's done correctly.....rude bro.....super uncool and rude.

I HAVE spent years under a kite, there called Rogallo wings and Para-gliders !!

And Your trying to preach to ME that jumping off a mountain with something Not even rated
for 1.5 G's is a COOL thing to do, and the equipment that I use for gliding is rated
to more than 6+ G's ; my Rigid-Wing went to 10-G's before full failure !!

It's NOT COOL or Smart to fly off with a Water-Kite and glide when i got stuff in my house
that was designed for gliding and WAY stronger ; and you'll Never talk me
into doing meth or Heroin either (.)

I think "Your" the one blowing smoke out your ASS ; & Ya didn't answer, do you
smoke cigarettes ?

Bille

Your paragliders are not kites.

You made up the 1.5 g rating kites are not even rated for all you know kites may be good to 5gs they have never been tested?

great use what ever you want to fly with but you just dont get it there is a use and a joy of gliding with the kite and the kite is a usable tool to fly with you have never done so and beleave your best course of action is to beleave your paragliders count and you should keep flapping your trap.
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I think your full of shit and since you have not used a kite to glide with your just being internet brave and continuing to convince your self you are the man and we tiny little kite flyers should listen..

truth is you havent flown with a kitesurfing kite and bar and lines like we r so you dont know what is up...Deal with it......your not the man when it comes to flying with a kiteboarding kite and people who are, are sharing their stoke with you and your telling them they are Uncool and stupid for doing so, even better is you are internet instructing!

Like I said drag your ass up here use your awseome paraglicding skills to learn to glide, then you can make all the calls you want. there are a bunch of folks up here that would love to meet you and see if your kite skills and your internet preaching are warrented.