Saying that kite gliding is in controlled is not really true. I could spot land about as good as I can with a paraglider. A water kite flys a lot like a speed wing but with more stability through turbulence. Sometimes i will tow a friend up the hill looping and that puts much more force than hanging underneath it. The point of gliding for me is flying like a speed wing close to the ground. Quickly getting to the bottom and kiting right back up to the top getting 50 flights in a 2 hour period as opposed to 3 or 4 with a speed wing. On bigger mt's I much prefer to kite up and speed ride down with kite in backpack. Some hills are to small for this.herculon wrote:join a taster course at your local paraglidinig school. there you will experience the joy of real flying ! hill-gliding will always be very short and on top of that extremely dangerous.
i promise you: once you got your first few real flights under a paraglider, you wont waste any thoughts anymore about short and ridiculous uncontrolled and unsafe hill-gliding with kites...
if you have mastered paragliding (thats not without a certain risk level) you can come back and try to master speed flying. my favourite video:
this is real mastery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM1l0DQumDw
hill gliding is not. if a thermal or turbulence of any kind hits you, your previously smooth glide gets into an uncontrollable nightmare, making you into a ragdoll getting tossed around, finally crashing you into the ground and leaving you there, crying if not instantly dead.
and read here:The problem with closing more cells than this is that when the glider collapses, the part of the glider with closed cells cannot collapse, and instead stays inflated. If this inflated section gets caught in the loose lines then this cause huge drag to build up, which can result in violent turning after a collapse, or spiraling, or even cravates. This is why the limit on the number of completely closed tip cells seems to have been reached.
That is a problem for kites. Not a problem with paragliding because there's so many examples of things going wrong. People know it's dangerous, there's thousands of paragliding accidents available on youtube. Funny thing, I think Waynepjh may have one of the few kitesoaring accidents on youtube.herculon wrote:the problem with using kites is, that no one knows what happens if things go wrong. -
You have to keep in mind that the force acting down the hill is only a fraction of your total body weight.waynepjh wrote: Sometimes i will tow a friend up the hill looping and that puts much more force than hanging underneath it.
I guess I'm confused as usual but I don't get the extra "safety" stuff people do when it comes to gliding with a regular kitesurfing kite, if in fact they do anything at all extra. I mean you can double up on this and on that but in the end unless you reinforce the kite itself, in particular the webbing where the pigtails attach or even the lines, then all the other extra safety stuff you do will be moot will it not? .... kinda like the chain is only as strong as the weakest link? Why bother adding stuff?plummet wrote:hey snow kiters.
I understand some of you may use a kite harness and also a double up with a climbing harness.
maybe run some carabinas aswell as chicken loops?
Do you double up on any bridle lines or leader lines or line attachement points?
I use lines that I trust and are new inspected n befor flying I do some loops while I edge hard and massively load and unload the rigging. As a preflight check. I also run a spectra sling that I web wrap around my chicken line above the chicken loop and release in case it fails or releases by accident..( so no safety release). I run a ozone harness with a hook, I back up the hook and bar by using a locking carabeaner through the leg loops and waist belt so if either fails the other will be the back up. I have had, bars hooks n harnesses break from several well known brands so this is what I trust the least. I also use new rigging and a current bar.plummet wrote:Well this has been a useless thread. I asked what customised safety gear the snow kiters use and i get the paraglider police.
Im not jumping off massive mountains and gliding hundreds of feet off the ground. i'm jumping off a very small shallow sand dune with clean wind. I'm limiting myself to several feet off the ground. So in reality i'm not jumping any higher than i would on the flat. just gliding longer.
So.. . . . . please discontinue the paraglider police and if you do have your own personalised safety devices post them up.
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