11m North Rebel 2012 v blade trigger 10m 2012

SupaEZ · **Joined:** Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:47 pm **Posts:** 1662

Sorry OldBrokn that you live sooooo far from the Gulf coast water

You are not qualify to bust on the Rebels in waves at all.....i have not flown trigger and do not care to

Our buddy Babel is in the learning stage of kiting and is entitled to pilot errors and dropping it

At my quality wave location (never said world class) half a dozen guys on Rebels for past 3 years

Never once did anyone's kite get sliced or damaged canopy from any 5th line wrap doomsday

As far as pushing the limit...i sure do on a regular basis....and you know...zero mishap...lucky me

You said it wrong...you are "54 young "..and are entitled to awesome 9/10/11mph wave sesh

Run all you want with your favorite canines when the wind is actually low... 7/8/9 mph

If i had to drive to the coast 4 hrs i would hate to miss such a fun LW sesh and have to turn around

I am thankful everyday to live 1 block from my beach and check my street's palm tree for wind

I am also so thankful to kite regularly with my very talented waveriding better half :heartface:

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Oldnbroken · **Posted:** Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:12 am

We have plenty of flatwater in Austin and the surrounding area to keep us amused.
An hour or two from the gulf would be better but the quality of life in Austin is so good, I could never move to Corpus Christi. If we move coastal, it will be somewhere special. Working on retirement so I can do just that, looking at five years or so.
My intention was not to bust on Rebels in waves or otherwise, just to advise James on the better deal.
I did not predict the Rebel getting ripped in two, but getting wrapped and screwing up kite's ability to relaunch quickly, because they do get dropped and they do get wrapped, it happens often enough to all five line kites in the surf, not picking on just one five line kite.
Triggers and Renegades relaunch super quick, which can save your ass in the waves.
Did you read the Trigger 9M review? ..they liked it....a lot.
Yes the Doc says I am physically young for my fifty four years when he pokes an prods, some broken and repaired parts here and there, but all the vitals are fantastic.
I will say I feel a difference between forty and fifty four though. Felt like I was still bulletproof at forty.
Wish my wife kited, she is my age and no experience skiing, snowboarding, skateboarding, wake boarding, surfing, windsurfing and so on. So not super keen on having me teach her to kiteboard. Teaching her to snowboard about killed her and then we moved to Texas. She also has a long standing fear of dead fishies, so I would hate to get her out on the water and have a panic moment.
Count yourself lucky to have your wife also be your kite buddy.
Later alligator.

Westozzy · **Joined:** Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:25 am **Posts:** 535

Oldnbroken wrote:

Supa- No need to be sorry.
Texas Gulf waves will wrap your five line kite up exactly the same as your less than world class Florida waves will. :wink:

I fly Epic kites now, so my current quiver has no bearing but..
To address your comment about my size choices, at 170 pounds a Renegade 13M LTD does everything needed in light winds down to to about 12-13MPH. In anything less, I enjoy hiking with my dogs or kayaking with my wife, among other things. I know you enjoy your monster kites and I've tried some of the new ones (and owned several of the old ones) and I just don't care about them anymore, but your big Core kites do sound pretty nifty.
My opinion is an opinion, as I said several times, I said a Rebel is a great kite in flat water (where I kite most often) and that a Trigger was a better wave kite, and that assessment is correct....in my opinion.
Magazine reviews of both kites say similar things to what I've said.
Supa-Have you flown the Blade Triggers?
The Rebel is five strut, medium high aspect, sits forward in the window, is not designed specifically for great drift, is slower turning and heavier than three strut medium aspect kites, not super fast in relaunch, does not have a wave specific setting, and is a five line kite, which is a pain when dropped and wrapped up in waves. North advertises other kites for waves and the Neo, Evo and Fuse would be better choices, even by North's descriptions.
In the Epic line up, Screamers are similar in shape and aspect ratio to the Rebels (say all the reviews).
Screamers are not nearly as good in waves as Epic Renegades (designed for waves) and the Renegades are very, very similar to Blade Triggers.
The consensus of kiters in this thread, who have flown or owned both, seems to be that Triggers are better wave kites than Rebels because of their their fast pivotal turning, three strut medium aspect ratio layout, excellent drift, fast relaunch, gentle nature in gusts and four line design.
They also have a wave specific bridle setting.
Kiters take all kinds of kites into all conditions, and if the Rebels do it for you, then you have made a good choice.
No disrespect to you, or your choice of wave kite, there is no wrong choice if it makes you happy.

Oldnbroke you are spot on man, Rode the 2012 for a season and half now (now my brother has it), excellent, excellent kite, but for wave riding, Nah. it is functional mind you, but to advertise it as a wave riding kite is nonsense in my opinion. or to emphasis it at least. I've explained why before, but just thought I'd back you up. That being said never flown the Blade so won't comment on that. But if you you do is a little wave riding, the rebel is awesome but I have flown much much better kites in the waves.

Westozzy · **Joined:** Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:25 am **Posts:** 535

Actually the Rebel is a very pivoty kite.....you probably never saw anyone good riding one

What makes Rebel the perfect wave kite is the 30% less bar movement to depower & power up

Means that on a wave the kite sheets out and dumps power to surf wave better than any other kite

By the way the Rebel does drift excellent and is so stable that to drop it has to be on purpose IMO

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Dumps power better than any other kite, now you are talking utter BSh1t. The rebel flies forward initially then sits back in the window and can then rip you off your rail. been riding for 12 yrs man through, not saying I'm an awesome kiter, but been around though all the innovations so far and ridden many many kites and the rebel does not bleed power off like any other kite. It does drift well though I will give you that. But not the best either (you didn't say that but I was waiting for it after that ridiculous statement), you gotta ride more kites man. Dumps power better than any other kite, what planet are you on?

balugh · **Joined:** Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:52 am **Posts:** 147

Hmmm...interesting chatter...but mostly pimping / dissing the Rebel. Too bad not many people can comment first hand on the Trigger yet (including me). So...I'll add another aspect of the Rebel that I like...which is I think they use the battens in the canopy really effectively. Again, I think it gives the kite great rigidity. It might just be impression versus reality but the Rebel pretty much does what I ask it to do with minimal fuss....and although I'm not a great kitesurfer I do go out in whatever weather, wind, wave conditions are available. I'm sure there are specialist kites that are better within their discipline but as a all rounder for most levels of rider I don't think there are many kites on the market that are better.

Motion · **Joined:** Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:31 pm **Posts:** 181

i own 9m (2011) and 12m (2012) triggers and tried 10m 2012 trigger.

i rode both kites in 12m size, 2011 rebel and 2012 trigger, on the same day and trigger is is just more fun to ride.

Everything has pretty much been said, you just need to try it.

yoav_at_blade · **Joined:** Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:46 pm **Posts:** 23

This was a very interesting thread to follow and a lot of good things were said here. I just wanted to clear up a couple things and give my thoughts as well.

Although I’m affiliated with Blade, I have flown the Rebel many times. As a matter of fact, I learned on a Rebel and had the opportunity to ride one for the first two weeks of my kiting career. I eventually switched to a Trigger, but I have made it a point to demo the Rebel (and many other models) every year since.

I think the Rebel is a great kite and offers many good qualities that a lot of other kites in the market lack. It is very easy to compare it to the Trigger because both these kites perform very well. They both have great low end, very direct, easy relaunch and plenty of power for boosting. But if we are comparing, it is fair to say the Trigger is more responsive and agile than the Rebel. It’s one of the strongest qualities of the Trigger and very few kites on the market come close.

The fact that the used rebel is the same price as a new Trigger, has nothing to do with the quality or the performance of the kite. It is simply an issue of margin costs. In order for Blade to be competitive in the US market, it has no choice but to lower costs. This does not affect Blade’s commitment to provide quality kites and quality service to its customers. It’s only an issue of creating awareness in the US.
So far we’ve been doing a good job doing that. Take for example the KB4cancer event at Hood River last week. The Blade Team got in first place for the Endurance Race. You can see a video online showing the start of the race. The first two riders around the buoy are riding Triggers.

So to Answer James Bond’s question, there aren’t any bad points about the Trigger. If you like both kites, it’s probably to your advantage to go with a brand new one, that way you’re not buying someone else’s problems. If you end up having any issues with the kite, although I highly doubt it, our support team would be happy to assist you in any way needed. And if you don’t, no worries, I hope you enjoy the Rebel.

Yoav
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJVQX_VXHkQ

Oldnbroken · **Posted:** Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:18 pm

Interesting that those two Blade Triggers at the front there were in Hood River, the place that Dan at North says he has seen no Triggers. He must have been late that day. :wink:

Balugh- Nobody is pimping the Trigger. I do see some folks pimping the Rebel.
Folks who have flown both are in a position to make a comparison.
It would appear that several people here have flown the Triggers, and some like me have flown Triggers and Rebels and are giving honest comparisons that are being argued and discredited by Rebel riders who have not flown the Trigger including Dan at North, which is really not cool being a North company man.

SupaEZ · **Joined:** Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:47 pm **Posts:** 1662

Westozzy wrote:

Dumps power better than any other kite, now you are talking utter BSh1t , what planet are you on?

I am sorry to hear that you get pulled off your edge...what year kite / size / wind speed & direction
I am from the same blue planet...but at the opposite end
Your problem surely has to do with the reverse coriolis effect you experience down under :lol:

Better can mean many things....in this case better also means "faster " to dump power

Win win situation......Supa fast at spilling out undesired wind and stay right on the wave..IMO

Do not sell yourself short...you are probably modest and are awesome kitesurfer...12 years !!

Been at it 13 1/2 years ....tried pretty much everything under the sun...

To each his own.....we all eventually figure out what works best overall for where we ride

Westozzy · **Joined:** Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:25 am **Posts:** 535

SupaEZ wrote:

Westozzy wrote:

Dumps power better than any other kite, now you are talking utter BSh1t , what planet are you on?

I am sorry to hear that you get pulled off your edge...what year kite / size / wind speed & direction
I am from the same blue planet...but at the opposite end
Your problem surely has to do with the reverse coriolis effect you experience down under :lol:

Better can mean many things....in this case better also means "faster " to dump power

Win win situation......Supa fast at spilling out undesired wind and stay right on the wave..IMO

Do not sell yourself short...you are probably modest and are awesome kitesurfer...12 years !!

Been at it 13 1/2 years ....tried pretty much everything under the sun...

To each his own.....we all eventually figure out what works best overall for where we ride

That is true. We find our right kite eventually sounds like for you it the rebel. Don't get me wrong in every other department I cannot fault the Rebel, amazing build, amazing rigid canopy which translate to amazing smoothness and direct feedback. It is a no braina' kite and requires very little deposed movement. When I first got on the rebels in 2011 I was just stoked. And in the surf it is indeed functional, and learnt to make it work very well by the end
Of the 2012 season( 2012 model is awesome). But to say it dumps power better than any other kite on the market is well utterly wrong. I could name half a dozen in quick succession before I even warmed up that I have flown. The rebel suited the gusty conditions and the weird lack of infill on the sea breezes here due to a large estuary. But when specifically surfing on those big swell days it does not bleed power as well as you seem to make out and many others I have flown with would attest to this. But on every other account, just an awesome design. Which is why I insisted my bro take my rebel of my hands on not buy any other brand or model. I just couldn't sit back and read something that is well just wrong.

I wouldn't put myself in the class of an awesome kitesurfer but I do have exceptional control of the kite learnt from the old foil days where you had to or perish.

Sorry I can't comment on the trigger but it sounds like a kite worth demoing.

11m North Rebel 2012 v blade trigger 10m 2012

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