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Toby
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Post subject: Death looping kite - an idea? Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:39 pm |
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Been thinking about the death looping kites.
If you are closed to the bar, can't you grab the bar of the opposite side where it is looping to, pull it and this way stop the rotation or at least be able to send it onto the water?
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JGTR
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Post subject: Re: Death looping kite - an idea? Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:00 pm |
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Problem is the bar is usually far away due to the mini death line, sorry mini 5th line that most manufacturers use these days. EH and SS both have a 4 line bar with below the bar safety that will drop kite onto a front line, why more don't do it is beyond me
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Janus
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Post subject: Re: Death looping kite - an idea? Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:21 pm |
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I depends on the situation. There is no golden rule IMO
I've had my share on a looping 10'er.. Massive pull and airtime every loop... Thought to solve it with pulling the other side.. In the airborne (horizontal flights..) fase I tried to look what's causing the loops.. Didn't find it.. Had some loops, I thought 4, with full impact, it really exhaust you..
I was ready to say goodbye to my gear but then I saw a rescue boat planing to me.. So I managed one more loop and airtime.. And then max pulled the other side, kite at the water, released pulled one front line like hell and pulled myself as quick as possible towards the kite.. Never done that without the boat in sight .. Lines everywhere..
Lesson; release immediately after first death loop, don't think you can solve it by pulling the other side.. After one loop the safety system should still work.. After 4 the lines are twisted too much to let the lines slide easily.. If not release all.
Real reason for my unwilling to release behavior was the side off wind..
I don't think the safety system itself really matters, below the bar, 5th, whatever.. When the shit hits the fan .. How is that expression?
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Post subject: Re: Death looping kite - an idea? Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:56 pm |
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Had a few times this shit happend with me in suicide mode. Luckily i had enough space to the beach to found of wtf is happening and solve the problem. It was realy hard to reach the bar, tnhkx God it was not very strong wind. Two things was fighting in me - one of it cried - pull the release and let this shit go off!!! - damn! if i will release my kite it can flow away to the beach and get torn - and i love my kite so much!! - cried another 
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jedi1
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Post subject: Re: Death looping kite - an idea? Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:58 pm |
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zloilyoha wrote: - damn! if i will release my kite it can flow away to the beach and get torn - and i love my kite so much!! - cried another  The problem is not a torn kite, but people downwind of a flying kite with bar attached 
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zloilyoha
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Post subject: Re: Death looping kite - an idea? Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:30 pm |
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jedi1 wrote: The problem is not a torn kite, but people downwind of a flying kite with bar attached  thats not about my home kitespot - only few kiters ( 10 maximum))) ), no people, no help if you are alone... 
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RickI
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Post subject: Re: Death looping kite - an idea? Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:23 pm |
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Once a kite loops very much, the kite lines are twisted into place. They can no longer slide relative to one another to reverse direction of flight, etc.. The kite is aimed in a high attitude turn by uneven line lengths that started the problem in the first place. Between steering forces and momentum the kite will continue to loop until something happens to stop it.
What sort of things have stopped looping kites in stronger winds in the past when the kiter didn't release it?
- Breaking lines - Burst leading edge or kite tears* - Broken spreader bar - Kite tangles in something on shore - Kite falls in the lee of something losing wind - Chickenloop or leash breaks - Someone grabs it - Wind drops
What else has happened to stop looping kites in stronger wind conditions in the past?
* don't know how I forgot that one. It happened to me with an early flat kite that inverted and started looping. The looping kite exerted so much force it ripped the corner out of the kite with the line attached and bent a solid 3/4 inch carbon bar.
Last edited by RickI on Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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edt
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Post subject: Re: Death looping kite - an idea? Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:52 pm |
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It takes a couple seconds to look up see which way the kite is looping find the bar which got yanked from your hand, white water and spray in your eyes, getting teabagged. Safer to pull the QR right away. If you happen to be looking at the kite when it happens you can definitely pull one side but you have to be prepared to grab the leader and pull a couple of feet
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Ned Divine
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Post subject: Re: Death looping kite - an idea? Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:19 pm |
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Sounds reasonable but also a bit risky to try to stop the loops in whichever way. My personal choice would be to follow Mr Moon's advice and be free by the second time it loops. However, in experienced hands, trying to stop the loops may not delay QR by more than one loop (the one to show failure of the attempt) so it may still be safe enough.
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