Ned I just read your description again and it's very clear... Thanks

I meant that, depending on how fast or slow the kite loops, determines when you start it.... if you're just using the loop to keep it pulling, rather than an actual "proper" loop. My biggest kites, I start just after I pass the zenith; smaller ones, more like a normal redirect.

With the kites I've tried it on, there's a zone for sheeting in where it will pull you nicely downwind... outside that range, the kite either won't pull at all or will stall. You'll have to play with it...

For "proper" loops, where you're using the kite to yank and catch you... someone else will have to chime in

for clarification a transition loop is when you pull the backhand and loop the kite the opposite direction your going to change direction.

a downloop is loop the kite in the same direction (front hand) your going and then transitioning back the opposite way.

ps a faster kite is better for loop transitions. i find my 10m c4 the berries. a super fast kite might give you too much yank when learning.

Plummet at what point do you start the loop... Pull with back hand, kite moves to 12, pull hard when kite is at 12 or wait till it is coming down?

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A pendulum jump is not a good way to do a standard aerial transition because it brings the kite to the right edge of the window and you'll have to redirect hard to the left in order to avoid crashing on water. If you do this, you will not be able to travel to the right, the momentum on landing will be to the left, due to the kite movement to the left.
A standard aerial transition requires a bit of pop and back foot pressure on take-off, having the kite at 12 or very near 12 until you decide to redirect, so that
a. it keeps you afloat and
b. it maintains the potential to go through the power zone on redirection (this cannot happen if you have sent it at the right edge originally) so that you don't sink.
If you accidentally send the kite more to the right, you can correct during ascend (redirect to the left early, before you pendulum) so that the kite is above you at the apex of the jump and not behind you.
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Key points:
* Low speed, otherwise you pendulum even if you don't send the kite too hard (it stays back due to differential speed)
* Try to jump more vertically than horizontally or downwind (pop, press back foot)
* Keep looking forward until you reach the apex (veeeeeery important!!)
* Turn your head and simoultaneously send very hard (fishpole if needed) to the right.
* To incorporate the loop, just keep pulling until it loops instead of sending it back up with your left hand.
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For small jumps, the loop will be mostly while you're already on water. Progressively do bigger jumps and loop earlier to get a bit of airborne downwind pull. Looks great, feels super and is pretty safe if you progressively make to your way to it. If you are well powered, loop as tightly as you can (fishpole). When underpowered, loop more widely - don't fishpole the bar - to get some more power out of the looping kite.
The extreme is jumping overpowered and looping widely (not tightly) very very early. This will be a megaloop. I haven't tried that, probably never will. But I like to see them!!
PS There are variations to the aerial transition that are done with forward speed, pendulum, hovering etc. They should come after you manage the standard variation, I think.

Evidently the answer is "no". If your kite is at your right edge and you pull hard to loop it on your way down, it will produce no power (a loop at the edge produces no real power, a loop on the way down produces no great power, so the combination will result in no pull, for sure! ), esp no upward pull to support your weight, so you will still fall like a stone...

Plummet if you are going to out to sea, and pull on your back hand you will loop the kite and go in the same direction. Surely to change direction you need to pull on the forward hand to loop it the opposite to hthe original direction.

you can just do a loop and a half...once you hit your loop you go down wind, you easily just change direction. One that is really nice, is to jump, keep the kite on the opposite side and loop it on the opposite side of the window. I saw Amundson pull one of those from the top of a wave, back to riding..it looked very very stylish.

OP has the idea when his kite is at the opposite side, loop it. Bolt of perfect for that. park has a little more power, but still really nice for control...tho I must say maui winds is a little more crazy than what I am used to..

Kami: yeah I was kind of talking about both the types..my only thing is to make sure one don;t go for the balls to the wall type the first time. Very few are crazy enough to pull that off first time with no looping experience...

to start with wait till you stall. then loop.

you can become more agressive with practice until your looping instantly on launch,. . . .. . ..

but remember to carve upwind and shed some speed. if you throw a loop on the back hand when screaming at full speed then you will enter into kiteloop territory.

ps with all loops. COMMIT!
Once your fishpoling the bar keep it fish polled until the loop isfinished!. pussying out of a loop always ends badly.

Westoz. i think we are all getting confused. if im heading out to sea and want to do a transition loop i jump, throw the loop with my back hand. that will stop me going foward and shoot me back towards the beach. I'll keep the loop going another half to keep me going in the new direction. make sence?