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 Post subject: Re: Western australia warning
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:47 am 
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Aussie dangers, cassowaries, crocs, sharks, stingers and drop bears. Interestingly the stats for drop bear attacks is worse than all the others put together, it's still way more dangerous driving to the beach though.


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 Post subject: Re: Western australia warning
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:11 am 
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longwhitecloud wrote:
Aussie dangers: Cassowaries, crocs, sharks, stingers and drop bears. Interestingly the stats for drop bear attacks is worse than all the others put together, it's still way more dangerous driving to the beach though.
Jellyfish, spiders and snakes kill the most people, don't they? As far as sharks go, don't bullsharks (that everybody seems to have a fair share of) kill more people than the great whites (in Australia and everywhere)?
Drop Bears??? ....Is that like the deadly Jackalope? :naughty:


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 Post subject: Re: Western australia warning
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:15 am 
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I hope that beach access due to sharks does not become the same once we teach them that humans = easy food.


I agree fully. An entire industry chums sharks and puts humans in the water with them. Basically teaching sharks that humans represent easy and abundant food. Then as more and more humans want to swim with sharks, the tour boats chum closer and closer to shore luring in the sharks.


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 Post subject: Re: Western australia warning
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:43 am 
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recoprianto wrote:
streax wrote:
I hope that beach access due to sharks does not become the same once we teach them that humans = easy food.


I agree fully. An entire industry chums sharks and puts humans in the water with them. Basically teaching sharks that humans represent easy and abundant food. Then as more and more humans want to swim with sharks, the tour boats chum closer and closer to shore luring in the sharks.
Kind of like when Ranger Bob says don't feed marshmallows to the bears! :)
But seriously, I agree that shit is not a good idea, leave the sharks alone.


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 Post subject: Re: Western australia warning
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:53 pm 
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tautologies wrote:
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They are a threat to human life. I always laugh at the person looking through the paradigm of a modern conservationist lense, living in safe non predatory WA. I bet ya have used spray to kill a few redback spiders around ya place, same thing, it is part of an ecosystem. Yeh sorry I see your points but I also think you are full of shit, and need to realize that human life is at risk.

It's like the tree hugged I knew, who was a full on save the tree dude, yet lived in claremont(rich suburb in Perth) and drove a Sarb convertible. You have all gone bloody soft and have never had your life at risk. Human life must come first or you must never kill another creature that is a danger ever again. Good luck with that.


Your analogy does not work. If you get attacked obviously you'd fight, but that is not the same as going on a hunt to shoot as many sharks as you can. The approach of killing the shark that attacked approach has been tried here and it did not work. They generally killed the wrong shark. What good does that possibly do? Nothing.

The bear analogy does not work, because they do know that bear that attack generally will do it again. They not know if the same holds for sharks.

You still do not have propose anything constructive. Neither does OP.

Indiscriminate killing is stupid. You guys are not arguing with reason or even any numbers. It is all emotion.

If anyone argue with you then they have not seen a shark as if that is some valiadtion for having an opinion. Or when they actually have seen sharks, the shark they have seen is assumed to be a small shark. You should really stop assuming that everybody that have a different opinion then you does not know what they are talking about. I can tell you: plenty of big ones in Hawaii.

Western Australia had 46 million nights spent by visitors in 2011. This does not include kids under 15, or people who live there. Let us assume that half of these were going to the beach, and say WA has 23 million visitors to the beaches. Of the 5 people that were killed last 10 months this gives you a probability of 0.0000002% or something (it is probably way lower even for WA) which is what you can start arguing when you want to kill endangered animals.


http://www.coastalwatch.com/news/articl ... cleId=9660
http://www.taronga.org.au/animals-conse ... nservation





Number hey? How do you know they are endangered? Got any more silly stats on that? Done an entire environmental science and biology degree on this stuff, heard all the arguments with lots of stats and other crap, don't buy it. People are dying, thats it.


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 Post subject: Re: Western australia warning
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:10 pm 
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Westozzy wrote:
People are dying, thats it.


yes they are being bitten in half by hungry great whites.

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chomp.


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 Post subject: Re: Western australia warning
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:40 pm 
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Oldnbroken wrote:
recoprianto wrote:
streax wrote:
I hope that beach access due to sharks does not become the same once we teach them that humans = easy food.


I agree fully. An entire industry chums sharks and puts humans in the water with them. Basically teaching sharks that humans represent easy and abundant food. Then as more and more humans want to swim with sharks, the tour boats chum closer and closer to shore luring in the sharks.
Kind of like when Ranger Bob says don't feed marshmallows to the bears! :)
But seriously, I agree that shit is not a good idea, leave the sharks alone.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc


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 Post subject: Re: Western australia warning
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:41 pm 
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Number hey? How do you know they are endangered? Got any more silly stats on that? Done an entire environmental science and biology degree on this stuff, heard all the arguments with lots of stats and other crap, don't buy it. People are dying, thats it.


You still don't see the effect of emotional arguments like that?


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 Post subject: Re: Western australia warning
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:29 pm 
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kazama-fury wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc


That's a big stretch there, haha. I would say Britney spears is more of a water pig than the sharks we are discussing.
http://mikeresponts.wordpress.com/2008/ ... being-fat/

...although I am all for tagging her dorsal fin with a radio transponder as well when she comes in to feed. Who knows an ex-military marine biologist who did some hogging back in the day? :naughty:


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 Post subject: Re: Western australia warning
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:41 pm 
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streax wrote:
kazama-fury wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

That's a big stretch there, haha. I would say Britney Spears is...than the sharks we are discussing.
This Crocker/Spears video is what Kazama joined the forum to contribute to this conversation? ..Really?


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