Both kites are great. 2011 10m Screamer is amazing. It jumps great good height and insane long hangtime. But a brutal kite. 3G 10m Screamers i heared many good things but i havent tested it yet. From what i understood the kite became a little more versityle so you can do good freestyle with it aswell.
Rebels are good at this too but miss that little extra the screamer has. I could jump very easy with the Rebels but it simply lacked the hangtime. I had the idea it takes you a little more downwind which gives you a good airtime.
Compeared to the screamer i found the bar feeling really twitchy with gusts. where the screamer you feel them too but not that twitchy.
Soon epic will rease a new bar/QR which is really nice.
I fly the (2012) Epic Screamer 3G 10M LTD kite. It has great range..enough bottom end to go right from your monster lightwind kite to the S10 and enough top end to get to your 7M high wind kite. The S10 has a somewhat C shaped profile, so comes through the turns/loops nice and quick without a hint of stall ever, and gives more boost and float than any kite I've ever flown. I demoed the 3G Screamers in 7M, 9M, 12M and 14M sizes and they are all very good, but the S10 with it's different profile, more square wingtip shape and different panel layout, was my clear favorite size in the line up. I was not a huge fan of the 2011 Screamer 10M LTD either, as Geronimo said, it was for tough guys only, but the 3G S10 LTD is a really nice kite. The Rebel is a fine kite, but it is a dedicated five line kite, the last year I owned a five line kite was 2007. Customer service at Epic is certainly more personal than what you will get from North.
Dirty84 wrote:Looking to buy a new kite, 2012 north rebel 11m or epic screamer 10m ltd any suggestions?
Depending on your level of experience. If you know what you are doing kitewise, go and get the 10m LTD Screamer. That kites needs to be powered at any time; one mistake and it could hurt you. It is for those who love to jump and fly and is definitely not a beginner's kite. Th Rebel is good too, but I personally don't like 5 liners. Quality wise you can't go wrong with either of them. Epic will soon release the new bar with the new QR and I would wait for that (if you can wait...hehe).
Only flown the rebel out of these two kites, but the screamer sounds a bit like the Airush VX i now ride. It easily out boosts the rebel and the hangtime is superb. But it is like the screamer it asks a lot of the rider, needs to be flown and you need to ride fast and hard. Not sure what the screamer is like in the surf, but the VX flies too fast - but is really good for on shore. Cross shore it still works but you need to downloop it both ways up and down the line.
The rebel is a plug and play. it is dependable the canopy is amazingly stable and the lack of pulleys gives it that north feel. It is a no brainer in terms of boosting but the VX (I presume the screamer may be the same but correct me if Im wrong), needs to be flown correctly to boost and then needs to be flown correctly in the air. That being said get the VX right and the boost in incredible and it will land you softly every time. also the VX - like the screamer it seems can be easily looped or downlooped.
Forget aggressive looping on the rebel. You can do it and I did, but you get it wrong and it will punish your ass in a big way. Also the VX unhooks well - presume the screamer does to.
I know crew rave about rebels in the surf, I was not convinced. it pivot turns, stalls slightly, then shoots forward, then sits back in the window dragging you off the face. This is a 2012 analysis though, not sure on the 2013.
So in the end it depends on where you are at, and where you want to go. Those that love the rebel are looking for a certain freeride kite and to me it is one of the best in that class. You want to push a little into the freestyle then forget the rebel. But for hooked freeride, boost and decent surf characteristic the rebel is a bloody winner.
The 3G Screamer 10M LTD is not a difficult kite to fly, no need to only fly it fast and hard. At the same time, none of the Epic kites have ever been super tame / limp dick kites. The S10 has better drift than the rest of the Screamer line up, so better in surf than a regular Screamer. The S10 and all the Screamer sizes are easy kites to jump, it is not one of those kites that you have to be super precise to jump. I am a kiter of barely average talent, and it is the boostiest kite I've ever flown. The S10 downloops smoothly or comes around and climbs up beautifully with zero hesitation. No stalling and shooting forward, I hate that the most in a kite ..and this kite does not. I don't really care what color a kite is, as long as it is not pink or safety orange. Not sure why anyone would have a problem with a black kite, nice and simple.