I think that is for the surfboards right? Either way you still have to add fins and pads and a bag. So most comes to the same price.sckitesurf wrote:As Tautologies pointed out you are paying for the R&D costs. In the case of Firewire they integrate the latest build technology and leverage 35 years of true surf shaping experience for some of the top surfers in the world. Their site shows $785 for the baords.
Everywhere I can find, the Nugget costs less than or the same amount as all the other North kite surf boards. Makes sense because it's a small surfboardtautologies wrote:If you have the knowledge, please address what is different in materials in a production surfboard from Slingshot/Best/Epic/Firewire etc, from a Sector 54/RRD K60 or the Nugget production surfboard, which doesn't even pretend to be a course racing type board and is still a thousand bucks.
You do not think? Why is that?Oldnbroken wrote:Hey Taut-
I asked a question, would be happy to hear logical answers, with reasonable facts to back it up.
I don't think the cost of these boards is reflected accurately in their sale price.
If you don't want "moaning" .....you know how not to click the button on the mouse, right?
So.....no...not the "same as any board".
I don't think your tired answer is a good one, and the Firewire post above illustrates the point.
You sound like the "designated defender of high prices superhero" yet again.
It is because it is econ 101. If you think I am wrong you have ahuge market opprtunity. Do it. I would love to be able to buy those board for imaginary prices.Just whip out your, cost of manufacturing / cost of R&D / cost of limited run size, reason every time anybody says anything kite related is too expensive.
Right, but again if you produce 10 000 0000 of something that RD cost is split many more ways than a production run of 100-200 boards (yeah I don;t know how many board brands make).The CAD time and prototyping for a production directional kiteboard cannot be compared to the cost to develop something even as mundane as an electric can opener, so I don't buy your development cost argument.
So you ask people to work on a board for you for free. I bet you would do that same with your job? Not.I believe that takes one CAD savvy board shaper, three test riders who want to test boards in their free time, and the cost to make and finish prototypes, possibly by hand if they can't pull it off with their normal CNC production equipment.
I think this shows a lack of understanding how the subtle differences on boards make a huge difference on the water.The Sector was designed several years ago and is in V3 production status, it is not constructed significantly differently from a Slingshot Celeritas, a very popular production kite surfboard that is priced in the normal median for production kite surfboards at around $750.
You provide NO data on how it is over priced. Sure it is expensive. But over priced?? That claim you need to prove before you ask anyone else for data.You may be talking about exotics, this thread is not, we're talking about overpriced (IMO) production lightwind specific directionals.
I will bet you that cost lies in the RD. How makes the boards? How are they designed. I will bet a lot that the more expesive brands have a mucvh better developed process for getting great products. But hey I might be wrong. I did check some different brands in SUP expensive vs cheaper. On those the overall board was HUGELY different. I think for kiting it might be less obvious, but still present.If you have the knowledge, please address what is different in materials in a production surfboard from Slingshot/Best/Epic/Firewire etc, from a Sector 54/RRD K60 or the Nugget production surfboard, which doesn't even pretend to be a course racing type board and is still a thousand bucks.
..and I disagree.
I believe the prices being asked, has to do with the price history of (one off custom) course racing directional kiteboards.
LOL., you reject based on a notion that you made up in your head, and then ask for someone else to prove you are wrong? That is tantamount to a religious fanatic. The burden of proof is on you buddy.That is what I think is going on, and I'm asking if there is evidence that this is not the case.
Taut, I reject your argument and think my hunch is closer to the truth.
Look, the easy way to see if you are wrong or not is to look at comparable markets. In this case the easy route goes to surfing. Now surfing is a sport that has about 1000 times as many participants as kiteboarding, which is pretty huge. The material you put in a surfboard are similar, but maybe less of it ie their boards are lighter and more fragile.But would like to hear more from anybody who has some really sound reasoning that my hunch is incorrect.
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