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 Post subject: New scammer tacties from Indonesia...
PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:47 am 
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Location: Kite Shop owner in Bali
Hello friends,
please be careful even MORE if you are trying to BUY kites for unrealistic cheap prices in Indonesia!!!
Some of the SCAMMER are now asking to buy original products from our shop so that they can later take pictures of the kites and send them as proof to the poor soul that is thinking to be making a great purchase!!!!
Some other SCAMMER are sending people to my web site as a proof of been legitimate!!!!

If they contact me by email I'm able to catch them BUT it can be that they are asking to others shop in other areas for it.. ALSO it is possible that one day they can just shop up at the shop and purchase the kites cash to do the same. In that case it will be impossible for us to know if they are SCAMMER..

SO just to make it short...
Kites are NOT MADE IN INDONESIA!!!!!!!!! Our prices are JUST A BIT cheaper then anywhere else in the world thanks to special TAX Rebate for Tourist....

WE DO NOT SHIP KITES OVERSEAS... Kites need to be purchased and picked up in Bali...

FYI I'm the OFFICIAL distributor and at the moment AND THE ONLY ONE for Kitesurfing equipment in Bali & all of Indonesia... We do not have any other shop selling our gear...
We are distributor for: Cabrinha, Ozone, Shinn, Jimmy Lewis, Flying Object.
We also sell Wainman and F-One kites...
Our Shop name is: Kite & Surf Bali The Pro Shop...

REMEMBER: If is too good to be true then for sure is NOT....

Here is an exchange of emails with the latest scammer i catch... Mr. Toni Sucipto..

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Dear Pak Sucipto,
is clear that you are an Indonesian scammer and not Italian as you can't write it correctly!!!

You are trying to get from us a photo of original kite so that you can forward to some poor stupid soul that think you are selling cheap kites from Indonesia.....

You should be ashamed of what you are doing and I hope that one day I will be able to get my hand on you as you are giving a bad name to us honest business people in Indonesia...

I will post all of this exchange of emails in all the International Forums hoping that people will wake up and stop sending you money for nothing!

Jankie
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----- Original Message -----
From: Toni Sucipto
To: Giancarlo Avancini
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: Bls: kites Cabrinha

Non potrebbe venire a Bali solo per aquiloni.
si prega di fornire la foto originale, se davvero avete aquiloni.
OK, accetto bonifico bancario

AS I'm Italian is clear that they are NOT....

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Dari: Giancarlo Avancini <jankie@bali-kitesurfing.org>
Kepada: Toni Sucipto <toni.sucipto59@yahoo.com>
Dikirim: Rabu, 26 September 2012 12:17
Judul: Re: kites Cabrinha

Ciao Toni,
e allora parliamo Italiano!
Mi spiace ma non possiamo spedire kite fuori da Bali, devono essere ritirati nel nostro negozio ed accettiamo solamente pagamenti via trasferimento bancario o contanti.
Saluti Jankie

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----- Original Message -----
From: Toni Sucipto
To: Giancarlo Avancini
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 1:12 PM
Subject: Bls: kites Cabrinha

I came from italy you can send via DHL kites ?
you accept paypal ?

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Dari: Giancarlo Avancini <jankie@bali-kitesurfing.org>
Kepada: Toni Sucipto <toni.sucipto59@yahoo.com>
Dikirim: Rabu, 26 September 2012 12:04
Judul: Re: kites Cabrinha

Dear Mr. Toni,
the kite are made in the Cabrinha Factory in Hong Kong.
Of course they are original how can we be Official Distributors if we sell not original.

Where are you from if I can ask? Where will you use the kite?
Are you coming to pick it up in Bali?
Bye Jankie

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----- Original Message -----
From: Toni Sucipto
To: Giancarlo Avancini
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:22 AM
Subject: Bls: kites Cabrinha


hi,
I want to have a size 9M
OK, I will send you a 50% down payment
where the origin of the kite?
I want the original product

asap
Thanks

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Dari: Giancarlo Avancini <jankie@bali-kitesurfing.org>
Kepada: Toni Sucipto <toni.sucipto59@yahoo.com>
Dikirim: Rabu, 26 September 2012 9:28
Judul: Re: kites Cabrinha

Dear Mr. Toni,
I don't have any 9m in stock at the moment (in Bali we do not sell many small kites) and the Siren do not come in 9m only 8m or 10m.
I can order and it will take about 2-3 weeks to receive them in Bali.
If you want to order I need a deposit by bank transfer of at least 50%.

The Cabrinha Switchblade 9m complete price is 1.495 US$.
Looking forward to your reply.
Bye Jankie

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----- Original Message -----
From: Toni Sucipto
To: jankie@bali-kitesurfing.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 3:45 AM
Subject: Bls: kites Cabrinha

I want to 9 meters ......

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Dari: Toni Sucipto <toni.sucipto59@yahoo.com>
Kepada: "jankie@bali-kitesurfing.org" <jankie@bali-kitesurfing.org>
Dikirim: Rabu, 26 September 2012 2:13
Judul: kites Cabrinha

hi friends,
I saw your website on google and i want to buy kites from you.
you have the following kite ?
if yes, please give the price
Cabrinha Switchblade 2013 IDS Water Relaunchable SLE Kite
Cabrinha Siren Switchblade 2013 IDS Water Relaunchable SLE Kite
asap
Best Regards.


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 Post subject: Re: New scammer tacties from Indonesia...
PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:08 pm 
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Good to know that your are selling kite in Indonesia dude , and for the scam "new born" :baby: kiters should think twice before get cheap price for a third world country :thumb:


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 Post subject: Re: New scammer tacties from Indonesia...
PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:16 pm 
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@kitesurfbali :thumb:

Have you tried to track the IP of the device from which the mails were sent from? It would give you a rough estimation where is the sender located!


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 Post subject: Re: New scammer tacties from Indonesia...
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:51 pm 
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Yes they are in Indonesia! An archipelago of 14.000 Island with 250 million people!!!
I spread the information's out nothing else I can do..
People need to wake up!
By making a Google search with "SCAM Kite Indonesia" this tread are popping out..
I hope any smart person before sending money to an unknown person on the other side of the world we do a tiny bit of research first...
Bye Jankie


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 Post subject: Re: New scammer tacties from Indonesia...
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:12 pm 
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"Cabrinha Switchblade 2013 IDS Water Relaunchable SLE Kite
Cabrinha Siren Switchblade 2013 IDS Water Relaunchable SLE Kite"

This text in the first message would have made me delete his post right away, as no one with any knowledge of kiting would say "water relaunchable SLE kite". I get lots of that kind of request and just ignore it now.

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